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 Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:55 pm
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:58 pm
Actually, that sounds like intentional suicide by cop. Quote: Stone told emergency workers that Lanum stabbed him and used a stun gun on him, authorities said, adding he was taken to a hospital for serious injuries and later released. Stone told emergency workers that Lanum stabbed him and used a stun gun on him, the affidavit said. Stone was taken to a hospital for serious injuries and later released. Wat.
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:12 am
Fresnel Actually, that sounds like intentional suicide by cop. Quote: Stone told emergency workers that Lanum stabbed him and used a stun gun on him, authorities said, adding he was taken to a hospital for serious injuries and later released. Stone told emergency workers that Lanum stabbed him and used a stun gun on him, the affidavit said. Stone was taken to a hospital for serious injuries and later released. Wat. Yeah, I caught that as well. It's odd that they used a redundancy that didn't involve a firearm. Yeah, seems like suicide by cop to me. But, maybe he wanted to try it. Now if the shotgun wasn't loaded... then definitely suicide. Hopefully this story doesn't make the antis want us to go unarmed again in national parks.
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:11 pm
OberFeldwebel Fresnel Actually, that sounds like intentional suicide by cop. Quote: Stone told emergency workers that Lanum stabbed him and used a stun gun on him, authorities said, adding he was taken to a hospital for serious injuries and later released. Stone told emergency workers that Lanum stabbed him and used a stun gun on him, the affidavit said. Stone was taken to a hospital for serious injuries and later released. Wat. Yeah, I caught that as well. It's odd that they used a redundancy that didn't involve a firearm. Yeah, seems like suicide by cop to me. But, maybe he wanted to try it. Now if the shotgun wasn't loaded... then definitely suicide. Hopefully this story doesn't make the antis want us to go unarmed again in national parks. I think a convincing case could be made in any court that a man looking to get himself killed wouldn't care about a felony conviction. Actually, this man died innocent, and, being dead, can no longer be convicted. You can't legally state that he committed a crime.
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:53 pm
I can't describe how stupid this is in words, and yet it isn't quite facepalm worthy, so I'm going to back out for now.
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:36 pm
Fresnel OberFeldwebel Fresnel Actually, that sounds like intentional suicide by cop. Quote: Stone told emergency workers that Lanum stabbed him and used a stun gun on him, authorities said, adding he was taken to a hospital for serious injuries and later released. Stone told emergency workers that Lanum stabbed him and used a stun gun on him, the affidavit said. Stone was taken to a hospital for serious injuries and later released. Wat. Yeah, I caught that as well. It's odd that they used a redundancy that didn't involve a firearm. Yeah, seems like suicide by cop to me. But, maybe he wanted to try it. Now if the shotgun wasn't loaded... then definitely suicide. Hopefully this story doesn't make the antis want us to go unarmed again in national parks. I think a convincing case could be made in any court that a man looking to get himself killed wouldn't care about a felony conviction. Actually, this man died innocent, and, being dead, can no longer be convicted. You can't legally state that he committed a crime. Not that it would do any good either way. They will still have an investigation, and if he did indeed do it, he was already killed anyways, and that still works out just fine. But yeah, it does sound like a suicide by cop. @ ober: I don't see where this will affect national parks. In fact, this could work to the advantage.
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:02 am
Man of the Demoneye Fresnel OberFeldwebel Fresnel Actually, that sounds like intentional suicide by cop. Quote: Stone told emergency workers that Lanum stabbed him and used a stun gun on him, authorities said, adding he was taken to a hospital for serious injuries and later released. Stone told emergency workers that Lanum stabbed him and used a stun gun on him, the affidavit said. Stone was taken to a hospital for serious injuries and later released. Wat. Yeah, I caught that as well. It's odd that they used a redundancy that didn't involve a firearm. Yeah, seems like suicide by cop to me. But, maybe he wanted to try it. Now if the shotgun wasn't loaded... then definitely suicide. Hopefully this story doesn't make the antis want us to go unarmed again in national parks. I think a convincing case could be made in any court that a man looking to get himself killed wouldn't care about a felony conviction. Actually, this man died innocent, and, being dead, can no longer be convicted. You can't legally state that he committed a crime. Not that it would do any good either way. They will still have an investigation, and if he did indeed do it, he was already killed anyways, and that still works out just fine. You could state that according to the American legal system, however, he cannot be convicted, and therefore legally didn't do it. So to treat this man like a convict in a court of law could be considered slander.
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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:01 am
Man of the Demoneye Fresnel OberFeldwebel Fresnel Actually, that sounds like intentional suicide by cop. Quote: Stone told emergency workers that Lanum stabbed him and used a stun gun on him, authorities said, adding he was taken to a hospital for serious injuries and later released. Stone told emergency workers that Lanum stabbed him and used a stun gun on him, the affidavit said. Stone was taken to a hospital for serious injuries and later released. Wat. Yeah, I caught that as well. It's odd that they used a redundancy that didn't involve a firearm. Yeah, seems like suicide by cop to me. But, maybe he wanted to try it. Now if the shotgun wasn't loaded... then definitely suicide. Hopefully this story doesn't make the antis want us to go unarmed again in national parks. I think a convincing case could be made in any court that a man looking to get himself killed wouldn't care about a felony conviction. Actually, this man died innocent, and, being dead, can no longer be convicted. You can't legally state that he committed a crime. Not that it would do any good either way. They will still have an investigation, and if he did indeed do it, he was already killed anyways, and that still works out just fine. But yeah, it does sound like a suicide by cop. @ ober: I don't see where this will affect national parks. In fact, this could work to the advantage. They find ways of making a good thing bad or bad things worse. Oh yeah, that innocent until proven guilty. I mean, some cases should be reversed. The other day I was watching some show and these people were in a stolen car speeding away from the police, they went down a dead end and tried to bail out. Hilariously the passenger trying to bail out of the moving vehicle but the door had slammed on her by a collision with a phone pole. The narrator said, "And watch this as the supposed car thief tries to bail out." ... supposed? They're fleeing from the police in the car and they're getting out of the car and trying to run off. Some points innocent until proven guilty is good, but really at other times it bites us in the a**.
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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:34 pm
OberFeldwebel Man of the Demoneye Fresnel OberFeldwebel Fresnel Actually, that sounds like intentional suicide by cop. Quote: Stone told emergency workers that Lanum stabbed him and used a stun gun on him, authorities said, adding he was taken to a hospital for serious injuries and later released. Stone told emergency workers that Lanum stabbed him and used a stun gun on him, the affidavit said. Stone was taken to a hospital for serious injuries and later released. Wat. Yeah, I caught that as well. It's odd that they used a redundancy that didn't involve a firearm. Yeah, seems like suicide by cop to me. But, maybe he wanted to try it. Now if the shotgun wasn't loaded... then definitely suicide. Hopefully this story doesn't make the antis want us to go unarmed again in national parks. I think a convincing case could be made in any court that a man looking to get himself killed wouldn't care about a felony conviction. Actually, this man died innocent, and, being dead, can no longer be convicted. You can't legally state that he committed a crime. Not that it would do any good either way. They will still have an investigation, and if he did indeed do it, he was already killed anyways, and that still works out just fine. But yeah, it does sound like a suicide by cop. @ ober: I don't see where this will affect national parks. In fact, this could work to the advantage. They find ways of making a good thing bad or bad things worse. Oh yeah, that innocent until proven guilty. I mean, some cases should be reversed. The other day I was watching some show and these people were in a stolen car speeding away from the police, they went down a dead end and tried to bail out. Hilariously the passenger trying to bail out of the moving vehicle but the door had slammed on her by a collision with a phone pole. The narrator said, "And watch this as the supposed car thief tries to bail out." ... supposed? They're fleeing from the police in the car and they're getting out of the car and trying to run off. Some points innocent until proven guilty is good, but really at other times it bites us in the a**. Hypothetically, it could have been a crank call to the police gone wrong (right?). The car was not really stolen, but was instead packed full of pot or dead bodies. There's always a chance that the obvious is wrong. Occam's Razor isn't foolproof.
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:20 am
Fresnel OberFeldwebel Man of the Demoneye Fresnel OberFeldwebel Yeah, I caught that as well. It's odd that they used a redundancy that didn't involve a firearm. Yeah, seems like suicide by cop to me. But, maybe he wanted to try it. Now if the shotgun wasn't loaded... then definitely suicide. Hopefully this story doesn't make the antis want us to go unarmed again in national parks. I think a convincing case could be made in any court that a man looking to get himself killed wouldn't care about a felony conviction. Actually, this man died innocent, and, being dead, can no longer be convicted. You can't legally state that he committed a crime. Not that it would do any good either way. They will still have an investigation, and if he did indeed do it, he was already killed anyways, and that still works out just fine. But yeah, it does sound like a suicide by cop. @ ober: I don't see where this will affect national parks. In fact, this could work to the advantage. They find ways of making a good thing bad or bad things worse. Oh yeah, that innocent until proven guilty. I mean, some cases should be reversed. The other day I was watching some show and these people were in a stolen car speeding away from the police, they went down a dead end and tried to bail out. Hilariously the passenger trying to bail out of the moving vehicle but the door had slammed on her by a collision with a phone pole. The narrator said, "And watch this as the supposed car thief tries to bail out." ... supposed? They're fleeing from the police in the car and they're getting out of the car and trying to run off. Some points innocent until proven guilty is good, but really at other times it bites us in the a**. Hypothetically, it could have been a crank call to the police gone wrong (right?). The car was not really stolen, but was instead packed full of pot or dead bodies. There's always a chance that the obvious is wrong. Occam's Razor isn't foolproof. That's true, but in that event, them still running away, they're doing something bad regardless. Although they may not be guilty of stealing the car, they would be guilty for what the officer might see when 'dealing' with the situation. That and I'm sure evading the police warrants a search of the vehicle. If someone reported my car as stolen and I got pulled over, I would think it would be for speeding, even though I only go about 5 over, so I wouldn't think of anything else unless the officer pulls a gun on me.
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:20 pm
OberFeldwebel Fresnel OberFeldwebel Man of the Demoneye Fresnel OberFeldwebel Yeah, I caught that as well. It's odd that they used a redundancy that didn't involve a firearm. Yeah, seems like suicide by cop to me. But, maybe he wanted to try it. Now if the shotgun wasn't loaded... then definitely suicide. Hopefully this story doesn't make the antis want us to go unarmed again in national parks. I think a convincing case could be made in any court that a man looking to get himself killed wouldn't care about a felony conviction. Actually, this man died innocent, and, being dead, can no longer be convicted. You can't legally state that he committed a crime. Not that it would do any good either way. They will still have an investigation, and if he did indeed do it, he was already killed anyways, and that still works out just fine. But yeah, it does sound like a suicide by cop. @ ober: I don't see where this will affect national parks. In fact, this could work to the advantage. They find ways of making a good thing bad or bad things worse. Oh yeah, that innocent until proven guilty. I mean, some cases should be reversed. The other day I was watching some show and these people were in a stolen car speeding away from the police, they went down a dead end and tried to bail out. Hilariously the passenger trying to bail out of the moving vehicle but the door had slammed on her by a collision with a phone pole. The narrator said, "And watch this as the supposed car thief tries to bail out." ... supposed? They're fleeing from the police in the car and they're getting out of the car and trying to run off. Some points innocent until proven guilty is good, but really at other times it bites us in the a**. Hypothetically, it could have been a crank call to the police gone wrong (right?). The car was not really stolen, but was instead packed full of pot or dead bodies. There's always a chance that the obvious is wrong. Occam's Razor isn't foolproof. That's true, but in that event, them still running away, they're doing something bad regardless. Although they may not be guilty of stealing the car, they would be guilty for what the officer might see when 'dealing' with the situation. That and I'm sure evading the police warrants a search of the vehicle. If someone reported my car as stolen and I got pulled over, I would think it would be for speeding, even though I only go about 5 over, so I wouldn't think of anything else unless the officer pulls a gun on me. I'd suspect speeding, 'cos I think my speedometer is off a bit. Otherwise I'd suspect something like a broken tail light. I'm sure there's some way for a person to be found innocent, even in the most condemning of situations.
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:30 am
Fresnel OberFeldwebel Fresnel OberFeldwebel Man of the Demoneye Not that it would do any good either way. They will still have an investigation, and if he did indeed do it, he was already killed anyways, and that still works out just fine. But yeah, it does sound like a suicide by cop. @ ober: I don't see where this will affect national parks. In fact, this could work to the advantage. They find ways of making a good thing bad or bad things worse. Oh yeah, that innocent until proven guilty. I mean, some cases should be reversed. The other day I was watching some show and these people were in a stolen car speeding away from the police, they went down a dead end and tried to bail out. Hilariously the passenger trying to bail out of the moving vehicle but the door had slammed on her by a collision with a phone pole. The narrator said, "And watch this as the supposed car thief tries to bail out." ... supposed? They're fleeing from the police in the car and they're getting out of the car and trying to run off. Some points innocent until proven guilty is good, but really at other times it bites us in the a**. Hypothetically, it could have been a crank call to the police gone wrong (right?). The car was not really stolen, but was instead packed full of pot or dead bodies. There's always a chance that the obvious is wrong. Occam's Razor isn't foolproof. That's true, but in that event, them still running away, they're doing something bad regardless. Although they may not be guilty of stealing the car, they would be guilty for what the officer might see when 'dealing' with the situation. That and I'm sure evading the police warrants a search of the vehicle. If someone reported my car as stolen and I got pulled over, I would think it would be for speeding, even though I only go about 5 over, so I wouldn't think of anything else unless the officer pulls a gun on me. I'd suspect speeding, 'cos I think my speedometer is off a bit. Otherwise I'd suspect something like a broken tail light. I'm sure there's some way for a person to be found innocent, even in the most condemning of situations. Well yes, but if they think they were innocent then they wouldn't be fleeing. There is a chance that someone could borrow a friend's car that the friend stole. Or someone got drunk, let someone borrow the car and didn't remember it and reported it stolen. Or reported their car stolen, got it back and never told the police that the car was recovered. But unless, in any of those cases, they were themselves doing something illegal they wont flee from flashing red and blue strobes.
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:11 am
OberFeldwebel Fresnel OberFeldwebel Fresnel OberFeldwebel Man of the Demoneye Not that it would do any good either way. They will still have an investigation, and if he did indeed do it, he was already killed anyways, and that still works out just fine. But yeah, it does sound like a suicide by cop. @ ober: I don't see where this will affect national parks. In fact, this could work to the advantage. They find ways of making a good thing bad or bad things worse. Oh yeah, that innocent until proven guilty. I mean, some cases should be reversed. The other day I was watching some show and these people were in a stolen car speeding away from the police, they went down a dead end and tried to bail out. Hilariously the passenger trying to bail out of the moving vehicle but the door had slammed on her by a collision with a phone pole. The narrator said, "And watch this as the supposed car thief tries to bail out." ... supposed? They're fleeing from the police in the car and they're getting out of the car and trying to run off. Some points innocent until proven guilty is good, but really at other times it bites us in the a**. Hypothetically, it could have been a crank call to the police gone wrong (right?). The car was not really stolen, but was instead packed full of pot or dead bodies. There's always a chance that the obvious is wrong. Occam's Razor isn't foolproof. That's true, but in that event, them still running away, they're doing something bad regardless. Although they may not be guilty of stealing the car, they would be guilty for what the officer might see when 'dealing' with the situation. That and I'm sure evading the police warrants a search of the vehicle. If someone reported my car as stolen and I got pulled over, I would think it would be for speeding, even though I only go about 5 over, so I wouldn't think of anything else unless the officer pulls a gun on me. I'd suspect speeding, 'cos I think my speedometer is off a bit. Otherwise I'd suspect something like a broken tail light. I'm sure there's some way for a person to be found innocent, even in the most condemning of situations. Well yes, but if they think they were innocent then they wouldn't be fleeing. There is a chance that someone could borrow a friend's car that the friend stole. Or someone got drunk, let someone borrow the car and didn't remember it and reported it stolen. Or reported their car stolen, got it back and never told the police that the car was recovered. But unless, in any of those cases, they were themselves doing something illegal they wont flee from flashing red and blue strobes. The guy in the passenger's seat has a gun to him. Or, Speed.
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:17 am
Fresnel OberFeldwebel Fresnel OberFeldwebel Fresnel Hypothetically, it could have been a crank call to the police gone wrong (right?). The car was not really stolen, but was instead packed full of pot or dead bodies. There's always a chance that the obvious is wrong. Occam's Razor isn't foolproof. That's true, but in that event, them still running away, they're doing something bad regardless. Although they may not be guilty of stealing the car, they would be guilty for what the officer might see when 'dealing' with the situation. That and I'm sure evading the police warrants a search of the vehicle. If someone reported my car as stolen and I got pulled over, I would think it would be for speeding, even though I only go about 5 over, so I wouldn't think of anything else unless the officer pulls a gun on me. I'd suspect speeding, 'cos I think my speedometer is off a bit. Otherwise I'd suspect something like a broken tail light. I'm sure there's some way for a person to be found innocent, even in the most condemning of situations. Well yes, but if they think they were innocent then they wouldn't be fleeing. There is a chance that someone could borrow a friend's car that the friend stole. Or someone got drunk, let someone borrow the car and didn't remember it and reported it stolen. Or reported their car stolen, got it back and never told the police that the car was recovered. But unless, in any of those cases, they were themselves doing something illegal they wont flee from flashing red and blue strobes. The guy in the passenger's seat has a gun to him. Or, Speed. Ah, that's true. I'll have to think about that.
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