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 Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 2:30 am
Okay, let's continue the discussion in Adoption thread here.. _rainarai_ Shinigami Vayth what? I never think it's haram.. well, except some nude picture that most artist excused it as "art". we even use picture to keep the history (except Prophet Muhammad saw.'s picture) But yes, I guess it's not belong in this thread of "adoption.." sweatdrop Why are the nude pictures not haram, I really don't get it. Well, for me it is art, and Can someone, please prove why painting muhamad is haram? I mean he's just a normal human like us, and THERE IS places like saudi arabia, where they have "beautiful" pictures of muhamad, why isn't that haram, huh? huh? You, should stop becoming angry on such stupid things. In the end, that's only what I think about things, you don't have to agree with me, I don't have any proofs either, so...these discussions will never end, I guess.. What? you misread me, Rania.. I said drawing isn't haram, except the nude pucture, which is haram. It's not the opposite. There's not even a single person that ever drew him (Rasulullah saw.) in the past, when he was still alive, and so, every picturer of him isn't accurately right. And if someone drew him intentionally false (lying about his appearance), then it's haram. Hadits, Narrated by 'Abdullah bin 'Amr And whoever tells a lie on me intentionally, will surely take his place in the (Hell) Fire." Well, I found it on a source (Indonesian and poorly translated by me. but if you want to look, go ahead: Link ). It may not be the best source, so I'll keep looking for a better source. So, what the other think?
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:01 am
Alsalam Alaykum!~
Answered by Shiekh `Abd al-Wahhâb al-Turayrî, former professor at al-Imâm University in Riyadh
The ruling regarding image making needs to be addressed in detail:
Drawing pictures by hand of people and animals is unlawful. This is indicated by clear and unambiguous textual evidence. Ibn `Abbâs relates that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Whoever makes an image in this world, he will be requested to breathe life into it on the Day of Resurrection, but he will not be able to do it.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Mulsim]
Ibn Mas`ûd also relates that he heard the Prophet (peace be upon him) say: “The severest of penalties on the Day of Resurrection will be given to image makers” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Mulsim].
Making statues of animals and people is the most unlawful aspect of image making, and it deserves the severest punishment from Allah. Drawing pictures comes second.
However, the following cases are exempted from this ruling:
1. Images used by children for playing and for learning are lawful. `Aishah said: “I used to play with dolls in front of the Prophet (Peace be upon him) with my friends …” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Mulsim] as these are a means for education and constructive play and are free from the danger of being venerated.
2. Photography does not come under the category of forbidden image making, since there are many differences between photographs and hand-rendered images. It is lawful because it is an act of capturing a reflection like the reflection of an image on a mirror. Most importantly, the problem of human emulation of the creative process is not as it is with painting and sculpture.
And Allah knows best.
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dark__sunshin Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:12 am
Great answer! as expected from DS.. blaugh But still, I have many thing to ask before I say "ooh, is that so? I see, I understand now.." is it apply to every drawing? Quote: ...he will be requested to breathe life into it on the Day of Resurrection, but he will not be able to do it. what if it's non-alive thing. like panorama, or house design (architecture)? Quote: ...unambiguous textual evidence what about something that doesn't need any accuracy/evidence with the real one? Like we draw imaginary characters?
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:42 am
Alsalam Alaykum!
thanks bro wink ..
for ur first question, any non-alive thing is not haram to draw!!
and of course drawing panorama, or house design isn't haram at all!!~ but anything with a spirit in.. is Totally haram.
and for ur second question,
I guess anything that looks like an animal or a human.. or anything alive is haram to draw rather it was imaginary or real wink !
Wasalam!
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dark__sunshin Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 5:31 am
It's haram to draw humans, but not landscapes and that stuff... What's the question? I dont got time to read it all.
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 8:37 am
Maybe I missed the answer in your post DS, but I wonder...
Why is it haram to draw anything living, and not like landscapes etc...?
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 8:40 am
yes it is haram to draw a human, but not nonliving things. smile
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 8:49 am
_rainarai_ Maybe I missed the answer in your post DS, but I wonder... Why is it haram to draw anything living, and not like landscapes etc...? I don't know, but from what I see is this is her answer: DS Ibn `Abbâs relates that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Whoever makes an image in this world, he will be requested to breathe life into it on the Day of Resurrection, but he will not be able to do it.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Mulsim]
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 9:39 am
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 10:32 am
Divine, u may prove this to me? smile
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dark__sunshin Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 7:45 am
Praise be to Allah in whose hand my soul lies in.... Alsalam!
Drawing as a whole is not prohibited. What really is prohibited is to draw animate things, things that have a life, and scholars say that anything with a face should not be drawn but Allah knows best...
The hadith is that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, according to the saheeh hadeeth: “Every image maker will be in the Fire.” And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The most severely punished of people on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers, those who tried to imitate the creation of Allaah.” And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The makers of these images will be punished on the Day of Resurrection, and they will be told, ‘Give life to that which you have created.’”
All this applies to animate things, however it is permissible to draw inanimate things, like mountains, trees, sea etc.... this according to the fatwa from the scholars of IslamQA (http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/39806/drawing)
And lastly the hadith about Aisha (ra) is true and sahih. The fact is that, scholars say that is preferred to let your daughters play with dolls so that they develop that motherly feeling towards children. The playing with dolls however only applies to daughters and Allah knows best.
Allah knows best.Wasalam!
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 5:32 pm
From adoption thread.. divineseraph Firstly, they are nymphs, not humans. Secondly, why is the human body "haram" as you call it? It exists, does it not? God created it, did He not? So what is the problem with showing it? This is not porn, and if you assume that art showing nudity is, then it is YOU who are the corrupted one to instantly associate nudity with the sex act. It's true that it's your fault too if you felt 'something' from nude picture, but the one who make it also in fault. The maker may not intend to provoke the viewer, but still, it has the chance to provoke the viewer. It IS art, but why choose that art while there are many other art. It's like we're practicing sword, sparring with a friend. You use a real sword while you can use a wooden one. you slashed him, and he died. you didn't have intention to kill him, but your slash has a chance to kill him. then you just say. "it's his fault for not blocking or for dying. I didn't want to kill him" It's not the best example, but I believe it works like that.
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:34 am
why you people creating the same topics again? we already have a long topic over pictures? wait a second i am fetching it now.
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 10:38 am
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