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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:28 am
Ok, so when i get depressed my mind starts to cook up strange thoughts. Recently i have come up with two and both of them really interest and at the same time they scare me lol.
1st. What if we could just "walk" right out of our bodies. we would be free from all the eyes of those who would judge us. We would be free from pain, free from stress, free from sadness. We would be free from everything in life that bothers us.
2nd. A great philosopher once said "I think therefore I am." He meant by this, since i am able to think, i must exist. But what if that applies to everything. What if things only exist because we believe it does. that you are not really reading thins. you are also thinking this. And that i am not really typing, i am talking directly to you. Even more so, Nothing truly exist. WE Only think that stuff is here and because we think it and think we know it is there, it is. And we only think it because we are told it is there. What if we could completely stop the process of thought? Would we die or simply cease to exist? If we dont think then we never were and therefore can we truly die?
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:37 am
Heru_Tamago Ok, so when i get depressed my mind starts to cook up strange thoughts. Recently i have come up with two and both of them really interest and at the same time they scare me lol. 1st. What if we could just "walk" right out of our bodies. we would be free from all the eyes of those who would judge us. We would be free from pain, free from stress, free from sadness. We would be free from everything in life that bothers us. 2nd. A great philosopher once said "I think therefore I am." He meant by this, since i am able to think, i must exist. But what if that applies to everything. What if things only exist because we believe it does. that you are not really reading thins. you are also thinking this. And that i am not really typing, i am talking directly to you. Even more so, Nothing truly exist. WE Only think that stuff is here and because we think it and think we know it is there, it is. And we only think it because we are told it is there. What if we could completely stop the process of thought? Would we die or simply cease to exist? If we dont think then we never were and therefore can we truly die? ok let me try this 1) if we could walk out out of our bodies yes that would set us free but as far as being free from being judged thats a diffrent question, especily in todays world i dont think "never being judged" is actuly possible 2)If we all stop whinking then yes would slowly cease to exist (see movie idiocracy) and yes even if we stop thinking are bodies will just get dumber and dumber untill slowly reverting to the caveman days
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:50 am
1. We would also be free from all the joys in life, the sounds the smells the touches the tastes... it would all be meaningless still. There would be n happiness if by your reasoning 'steping out' of our bodies makes us free of all those other feelings and emotions so too would it rid us of all the positive aspects. Not worth the price to pay. You take the good and the bad in life the bad only reaffirms the god.
2. That was Descartes point when he said "I think therefore I am", but it was not an ending point saying only I exist because that is the only thing I can prove, it was a starting point working from the bottom up. So even if all of this exists as an illusion because I dream it, in the end I still exist because I can contemplate my own existence, if I did not exist I would not be able to contemplate anything. I's his most famous phrase but he used it as a basis for the rest of his work beyond that point, he went on to prove a number of things do, in fact, exist but used skepticism as a tool (not a rule, not a all encompassing philosophy but a tool to use only to scrutinize and then set down). I would suggest, before you suggest that nothing exists, that you research more into Descartes' further work *after* the "I think therefore I am", while many people stop there it isn't the end of all his important research and philosophizing.
However to answer your question- to stop the process of thought would only land you in a vegetable, near-comatose like state. People who have suffered brain damage have gone through this sort of thing- they don't stop living [physically anyway] they don't stop existing... they still are but they are just shadows of their former selves.
Also: stopping something doesn't mean it never existed. Back to Descartes and his explanations around "I think therefore I am", he theorized that even if all he is was a brain floating in nothing and demons are making him see the illusion of the rest of the world around him... if he thought, he still existed because if he didn't exist he wouldn't think. Say the devils got bored of their game and decided to kill the brain floating in nothing, yes it would cease to exist, however that does not mean it never existed in the first place. There was thought, therefore there was being.
Or to put it another way: just because something dies doesn't mean it never was, it just means it will never be again.
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:58 am
1.- Life would be boring, if I could actually call it a life.
2.- What.
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:44 pm
what i am trying to say is, If we dont think (because technichally u are always thinking. subconciously any way.) do we exist? and if we never existed can we rele die?
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:52 pm
Heru_Tamago what i am trying to say is, If we dont think (because technichally u are always thinking. subconciously any way.) do we exist? I can personally attest that there are many people that don't think at all, and unfortunately they do exist. sad
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:03 am
Mameoyashi 1. We would also be free from all the joys in life, the sounds the smells the touches the tastes... it would all be meaningless still. There would be n happiness if by your reasoning 'steping out' of our bodies makes us free of all those other feelings and emotions so too would it rid us of all the positive aspects. Not worth the price to pay. You take the good and the bad in life the bad only reaffirms the god. 2. That was Descartes point when he said "I think therefore I am", but it was not an ending point saying only I exist because that is the only thing I can prove, it was a starting point working from the bottom up. So even if all of this exists as an illusion because I dream it, in the end I still exist because I can contemplate my own existence, if I did not exist I would not be able to contemplate anything. I's his most famous phrase but he used it as a basis for the rest of his work beyond that point, he went on to prove a number of things do, in fact, exist but used skepticism as a tool (not a rule, not a all encompassing philosophy but a tool to use only to scrutinize and then set down). I would suggest, before you suggest that nothing exists, that you research more into Descartes' further work *after* the "I think therefore I am", while many people stop there it isn't the end of all his important research and philosophizing. However to answer your question- to stop the process of thought would only land you in a vegetable, near-comatose like state. People who have suffered brain damage have gone through this sort of thing- they don't stop living [physically anyway] they don't stop existing... they still are but they are just shadows of their former selves. Also: stopping something doesn't mean it never existed. Back to Descartes and his explanations around "I think therefore I am", he theorized that even if all he is was a brain floating in nothing and demons are making him see the illusion of the rest of the world around him... if he thought, he still existed because if he didn't exist he wouldn't think. Say the devils got bored of their game and decided to kill the brain floating in nothing, yes it would cease to exist, however that does not mean it never existed in the first place. There was thought, therefore there was being. Or to put it another way: just because something dies doesn't mean it never was, it just means it will never be again. .... I suddenly have a feeling that I have a deeper understanding of the world...
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:55 am
Heru_Tamago Ok, so when i get depressed my mind starts to cook up strange thoughts. Recently i have come up with two and both of them really interest and at the same time they scare me lol. 1st. What if we could just "walk" right out of our bodies. we would be free from all the eyes of those who would judge us. We would be free from pain, free from stress, free from sadness. We would be free from everything in life that bothers us. 2nd. A great philosopher once said "I think therefore I am." He meant by this, since i am able to think, i must exist. But what if that applies to everything. What if things only exist because we believe it does. that you are not really reading thins. you are also thinking this. And that i am not really typing, i am talking directly to you. Even more so, Nothing truly exist. WE Only think that stuff is here and because we think it and think we know it is there, it is. And we only think it because we are told it is there. What if we could completely stop the process of thought? Would we die or simply cease to exist? If we dont think then we never were and therefore can we truly die? For the first one: We would also be free of everything else too. Second: I stayed up all night and I am too tired to think that much. heh.
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