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 Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:24 pm
I had a discussion with a Christian Guy lately.. and we were talking about the Bible..
Now the Bible say, If there will come a next profit.. You can know when he's true or a false Profit.
It says;
- He has to say Jesus is the messiah.
and some other facts, forgot those, so Im sorry for that.
Now the Profit Mohammed (saws) who came after Jesus,... claims this all...
and still the Christians ... see him as a fake?...
Now Is it just me... or does this sound wierd? ... They read the Bible... do as it says...they believe in the Bible.... and still they claim the Profit is wrong... while according to the Bible... its true?
Also... some of you might has knowdest... that many Christians do not have the same agreement about the Bible or the Religion..
Some say; Jesus is God... others Say, Jesus is the Son of God... the Others Say Jesus is the Three things.. others say he's not.. etc.
Now I dont know if some Christians,, are afraid of the truth.. or just dont care... but if they would just do a little research... they would find the truth
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:06 am
ohh :O
christians usually think Muhammad(saw) isen't wink
some say it's all fake rofl
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Mysterious_Angel OwO Crew
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:35 pm
yup they have 2 be serious on this thing cuz its the after life
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:06 pm
Christians actually think that there wasn't a human called Mohamed , and their Bible is wrong at many many things , and that my friend is one great prove to prove that Christians are wrong and Muslims are right .
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:05 am
EGYPTIAN 4 EVER Christians actually think that there wasn't a human called Mohamed , and their Bible is wrong at many many things , and that my friend is one great prove to prove that Christians are wrong and Muslims are right . Yes I know that the Bible is wrong, I mean like 300 people wrote in it xd but as they Believe in it.. and as the Bible says it.. why would they still claim that The profit Mohammed (saws) is a false profit confused
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:17 am
Jin Saga Yes I know that the Bible is wrong, I mean like 300 people wrote in it xd About forty, actually. Slight off-topic grammar lesson: Christians believe the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a fake. Not profit. And, you all say we don't think he was a real person. We don't; we believe that he was a real person who was just a little wrong. Please don't be offended, that's what I seriously believe. And back on topic, the Bible passage that Muslims say points to Muhammad (pbuh) is actually a warning against false prophets. Here it is: Deuteronomy 18:14-22 14 The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the LORD your God has not permitted you to do so. 15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. 16 For this is what you asked of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, "Let us not hear the voice of the LORD our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die." 17 The LORD said to me: "What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death." 21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?" 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him. I bolded the relavent bit. You get lots, 'cause it's stupid to take the Bible out of context, which Muslims have done. The key part of that passage is verse 20-22. Verses weren't in when it was written, so it should be read together. You can get a little part of the Bible and pretend it means anything. I'm sure you'd be annoyed if I did that to the Qur'an. Basically what that means is that what the Prophet said would come true. Jesus' words have definitely came true. Did anything Muhammad (pbuh) say come true? That's not a rhetorical question, I'm seriously asking. I'd love to hear what the Bible is wrong about, too. Because in five years of being a Christian, I haven't found one mistake. EDIT: I forgot to bold it. It really is bolded now.
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:31 am
EGYPTIAN 4 EVER Christians actually think that there wasn't a human called Mohamed , and their Bible is wrong at many many things , and that my friend is one great prove to prove that Christians are wrong and Muslims are right . its not truley that one is right and one is wrong we all have our different beliefs like christians (me) believe that the earth will end very baddly and we must follow jesus in the second coming but the first "jesus" to come is a not the real jesus but he will act as if he is and will show people power like jesus has and if you follow him you will not go to heaven you shall wait for the second jesus but before then there will be massive title waves terrible tornados etc. like never before we will all live in poverty not much food water clothing and well want to die but we shouldnt thats just one thing we believe and im sure muslims have a a different kind of story to itt all and ill gladly read it and try to understand smile also if you have a really old bible its better cause theyve changed and removed stuff in the newer versions
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:50 am
Voldemort point two Jin Saga Yes I know that the Bible is wrong, I mean like 300 people wrote in it xd About forty, actually. Slight off-topic grammar lesson: Christians believe the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a fake. Not profit. And, you all say we don't think he was a real person. We don't; we believe that he was a real person who was just a little wrong. Please don't be offended, that's what I seriously believe. And back on topic, the Bible passage that Muslims say points to Muhammad (pbuh) is actually a warning against false prophets. Here it is: Deuteronomy 18:14-22 14 The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the LORD your God has not permitted you to do so. 15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. 16 For this is what you asked of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, "Let us not hear the voice of the LORD our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die." 17 The LORD said to me: "What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death." 21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?" 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him. I bolded the relavent bit. You get lots, 'cause it's stupid to take the Bible out of context, which Muslims have done. The key part of that passage is verse 20-22. Verses weren't in when it was written, so it should be read together. You can get a little part of the Bible and pretend it means anything. I'm sure you'd be annoyed if I did that to the Qur'an. Basically what that means is that what the Prophet said would come true. Jesus' words have definitely came true. Did anything Muhammad (pbuh) say come true? That's not a rhetorical question, I'm seriously asking. I'd love to hear what the Bible is wrong about, too. Because in five years of being a Christian, I haven't found one mistake. EDIT: I forgot to bold it. It really is bolded now. I never said.. Christians claim he doesnt excist.. what I say.. and you can look it up in your Bible if you want to..
is that You claim he is false... while according to ur Bible he's a true profit..
as for your prove.. ( the verse in the Bible )... you cant expect for me.. to take that a prove since about fourty people wrote in it.
The truth is the word of God... thats why God gave us the Koran.. and to make things clear for in the future.. we are not allowed to Translate the koran.. if we do .. its not the Koran anymore.. then its just a translation.
and the reason.. is to not get the problem that Christians got now..
you all got ur own opion on ur religion.
while ur opinion doesnt really count.. since it is written in the Holy book..
since ur book isnt holy anymore.. it lost the meaning of "Holy Book'... so that makes it a regular. book.your translated... left things out.. added things..
While the Koran is still the same as Allah brought it?
Not to attack you.. just to show you the truth.. I hope you find it soon.
I recommend u do research., as for Islam and Christianity smile
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:51 am
Oh no , a war gonna begin between Muslims and Christians , good luck guys .
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:29 am
EGYPTIAN 4 EVER Oh no , a war gonna begin between Muslims and Christians , good luck guys . its not gonna be a war rofl very funny thought though be like bible qu'arn(idk how to spell it sorry)blablabla that would be kinda funy
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:02 pm
Jin Saga I never said.. Christians claim he doesnt excist.. what I say.. and you can look it up in your Bible if you want to..
is that You claim he is false... while according to ur Bible he's a true profit..
Actually, EGYPTIAN 4 EVER said: "Christians actually think that there wasn't a human called Mohamed". Also, I just quoted the Bible passage. Do you want the KJV version as well? Jin Saga as for your prove.. ( the verse in the Bible )... you cant expect for me.. to take that a prove since about fourty people wrote in it. That proof was the verse that you were talking about that apparently said Muhammad (pbuh) is a real prophet. It's talking about Jesus, you just took it out of context. And I don't see how the Bible being written by forty people changes the fact that it's true. Read it for yourself; it's the story of God's redemption of mankind and it all says basically the same thing. You can read it, and some places rephrase and expand upon other parts of it. It was all inspired by the same Spirit; the Spirit of the living God. Jin Saga it lost the meaning of "Holy Book' I never said the Bible was holy. It's the divine, infallible Word of God. If you don't consider that holy, then that's your opinion. Whether or not you call it holy doesn't change that it's from God. Jin Saga so that makes it a regular. book.your translated... left things out.. added things.. The Catholic Church added some books to the Old Testament, other cults added various books, but the Bible that most Christians use hasn't been changed. It's been translated, but all translations are taken directly from the original. And the language doesn't matter, because no language can really describe what God says. If you've never experienced Him speaking to your heart (no offense, but I don't think any of you have) then you'd know that. Jin Saga Not to attack you.. just to show you the truth.. I hope you find it soon. No offense taken. Now, you seem to think that I'm saying you need to agree with what I said because it's in the Bible. I was just giving you the passage that you were talking about in the OP when you said: Jin Saga they claim the Profit is wrong... while according to the Bible... its true? Jin Saga Now I dont know if some Christians,, are afraid of the truth.. or just dont care... but if they would just do a little research... they would find the truth I have done research. I understand more about Islam than most Christians. I probably understand more about Islam than a lot of Muslims understand about Christianity, and I can honestly tell you that there's no way the things I've seen and felt are my imagination. I've done my research, but have you? I honestly do care, and I've felt God in my life, I've felt Him moving in me, helping me, telling me the words to say. It's impossible to describe to someone who has never seen the light. Sorry if I sound rude, I don't mean to be.
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:57 pm
blondiehotline also if you have a really old bible its better cause theyve changed and removed stuff in the newer versions Proof? What about the Dead Sea Scrolls? In the fifties, they found some 2000-year-old pieces of the Old Testament and it was exactly the same as it is now. If you look in a Bible (the NIV one, anyway) there are little footnotes at the bottom and it says "some manuscripts say" where there are differences. There are less than fifty in the whole Bible, and none of them change the message; they're just different ways of phrasing it. The Bible has not been changed. Even if the Qur'an hasn't been changed and the Bible has (which it hasn't), it doesn't change the fact that it's not from God. (That's my opinion, there isn't really much point arguing with it, because you won't convince me and I won't convince you)
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:10 pm
Voldemort point two Jin Saga I never said.. Christians claim he doesnt excist.. what I say.. and you can look it up in your Bible if you want to..
is that You claim he is false... while according to ur Bible he's a true profit..
Actually, EGYPTIAN 4 EVER said: "Christians actually think that there wasn't a human called Mohamed". Also, I just quoted the Bible passage. Do you want the KJV version as well? Jin Saga as for your prove.. ( the verse in the Bible )... you cant expect for me.. to take that a prove since about fourty people wrote in it. That proof was the verse that you were talking about that apparently said Muhammad (pbuh) is a real prophet. It's talking about Jesus, you just took it out of context. And I don't see how the Bible being written by forty people changes the fact that it's true. Read it for yourself; it's the story of God's redemption of mankind and it all says basically the same thing. You can read it, and some places rephrase and expand upon other parts of it. It was all inspired by the same Spirit; the Spirit of the living God. Jin Saga it lost the meaning of "Holy Book' I never said the Bible was holy. It's the divine, infallible Word of God. If you don't consider that holy, then that's your opinion. Whether or not you call it holy doesn't change that it's from God. Jin Saga so that makes it a regular. book.your translated... left things out.. added things.. The Catholic Church added some books to the Old Testament, other cults added various books, but the Bible that most Christians use hasn't been changed. It's been translated, but all translations are taken directly from the original. And the language doesn't matter, because no language can really describe what God says. If you've never experienced Him speaking to your heart (no offense, but I don't think any of you have) then you'd know that. Jin Saga Not to attack you.. just to show you the truth.. I hope you find it soon. No offense taken. Now, you seem to think that I'm saying you need to agree with what I said because it's in the Bible. I was just giving you the passage that you were talking about in the OP when you said: Jin Saga they claim the Profit is wrong... while according to the Bible... its true? Jin Saga Now I dont know if some Christians,, are afraid of the truth.. or just dont care... but if they would just do a little research... they would find the truth I have done research. I understand more about Islam than most Christians. I probably understand more about Islam than a lot of Muslims understand about Christianity, and I can honestly tell you that there's no way the things I've seen and felt are my imagination. I've done my research, but have you? I honestly do care, and I've felt God in my life, I've felt Him moving in me, helping me, telling me the words to say. It's impossible to describe to someone who has never seen the light. Sorry if I sound rude, I don't mean to be. Let me tell you this.. The Word Of God Is the Truth... So that means that the Bible has to come straight from God.. If it was Chinese.. it should have been written in Chinese... If It was French.. then french When you Translate.. you have to put words out.. or replace it.. So it doesnt stay the Word of God.. You may practise,, Christianty good.. But that's not The Religion. Islam is the True Religion.. Im not saying we have diff Gods.. because He is One.. Im saying that God.. has brought the Koran.. a Book > Perfection. no Translations.. the WORD Of Allah (swt) Also about the " Written By Forty People " Back in the Middle Ages.. The Priest used to Bible to collect money.. I knowdest ur a Typ of PROOF guy.. so If you dont believe it you can look it up in a History book. They let People buy a Ticket.. to remove their Sins?... Now sorry but that is stupid... and Language my friend.. does matter... because Cake may mean in England Just regular cake.. but in another country it could mean. Cat.. So.. Language is a BIG FACTOR... of The meaning of the Bible And yes the Prove was that Verse... Its written in ur Bible.. So... u cant claim its wrong. According to ur Bible He's a True Profit. Thats my point.
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:13 pm
Voldemort point two blondiehotline also if you have a really old bible its better cause theyve changed and removed stuff in the newer versions Proof? What about the Dead Sea Scrolls? In the fifties, they found some 2000-year-old pieces of the Old Testament and it was exactly the same as it is now. If you look in a Bible (the NIV one, anyway) there are little footnotes at the bottom and it says "some manuscripts say" where there are differences. There are less than fifty in the whole Bible, and none of them change the message; they're just different ways of phrasing it. The Bible has not been changed. Even if the Qur'an hasn't been changed and the Bible has (which it hasn't), it doesn't change the fact that it's not from God. (That's my opinion, there isn't really much point arguing with it, because you won't convince me and I won't convince you) Im Sorry.. but the Bible has definitely Changed.. there isnt a priest in the world who would disagree on that. As for the Koran.. Its still in the same state of context as it was. If I write a Book... and someone else translates it in his own language.. words will be changed.. like if I said; Im the Bringer of the Big Mountains. some would translate ; I made the mountains.. It would be out of context.
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:13 pm
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