Debate: Brotherhood or Enclave

[FireKunai]

Who do you side with? Who claims your loyalty? The Brotherhood of Steel or the Enclave. I know that there is a really good debate thread already going but it's more about the Brotherhood VS the Outcasts. This one is more for Brotherhood VS Enclave (With the Outcasts as an option in the poll)  

[Blades Of Null]

Not to be rude ,but We already had one BIG topic about this and it had way more choices...  

[FireKunai]

Blades Of Null

Not to be rude ,but We already had one BIG topic about this and it had way more choices...

Sorry about that sweatdrop I didn't know. Bah, I can't even delete the topic.  

[XxCrimson_ShinobixX]

Well if you are talking about my topic, it was supposed to be Brotherhood of Steel, and Outcasts, but I just put other options on the poll for variety. The main discussion is about those two.

This one is still good ^^ Now its Brotherhood Or Enclave ( other one : Brotherhood of Steel - Brotherhood Outcasts )

Of course I choose the Brotherhood  

[Roane Farhall]

Between these two choices, I would have to go with Brotherhood. The Enclave is way better prepared, has the advantage of having unknown resources at their disposal (Seriously, they can have houses made out of food. They could also be starving to death. We would never know.) and yet they have been beaten back multiple times on the East AND West coast by a bunch of people that are using outdated power armor and beaten up weapons.

Either every single soldier has the same problem with their armor, or they have horrible leadership/strategists. I'll let you guys choose which is more likely.  

[FireKunai]

I hope I'm not the only Enclave groupie here sweatdrop

I tend to side with the Enclave cos at least you know where you stand with them. They shoot everyone whereas the Brotherhood of Steel shoot the Ghouls at Underworld! And I luff the Ghouls at Underworld. Most of them are really friendly. That finished it for me with the BOS.

Don't get me wrong, I like Elder Lyons. He's a lovely old man. I always got this feeling from the BOS that they considered me unworthy and such. Plus they didn't make the Lone Wanderer a member until the end of the game D: Fat use that was before BS was released gonk

Least the Enclave are consistant right? biggrin

Plus the Enclave have Colonel Autumn. He just makes me lol so damn much. I can't hate him at all (And his coat is quite lovely as well)  

[Herr Kaiser]

Enclave FTW better guns and armor.  

[FireKunai]

scurr

Enclave FTW better guns and armor.

Sweet! Another Enclave fan! heart  

[Herr Kaiser]

FireKunai

scurr

Enclave FTW better guns and armor.

Sweet! Another Enclave fan! heart

For Eden! whee  

[XxCrimson_ShinobixX]

I wanna change my choice to Outcasts xD  

[Roane Farhall]

FireKunai

I hope I'm not the only Enclave groupie here sweatdrop

I tend to side with the Enclave cos at least you know where you stand with them. They shoot everyone whereas the Brotherhood of Steel shoot the Ghouls at Underworld! And I luff the Ghouls at Underworld. Most of them are really friendly. That finished it for me with the BOS.

Don't get me wrong, I like Elder Lyons. He's a lovely old man. I always got this feeling from the BOS that they considered me unworthy and such. Plus they didn't make the Lone Wanderer a member until the end of the game D: Fat use that was before BS was released gonk

Least the Enclave are consistant right? biggrin

Plus the Enclave have Colonel Autumn. He just makes me lol so damn much. I can't hate him at all (And his coat is quite lovely as well)

That's pretty much the reasons behind me liking the Outcasts. You know exactly where they stand, and where they stand does not include shooting you on sight. It does include not caring what you're doing unless you point a weapon at them, though.

I like the Enclave as a group, and Colonel Autumn is fairly awesome, but again... Whoever is at the head of the Enclave (like... Way up at the head) is a friggin' idiot. Maybe if they had a leader that actually had some sense of strategy (Shoot the Citadel with your surprise orbital strike, not the robot that wont operate nearly as effectively once the leadership at the Citadel is removed... Really, guys? Sure, you'll still have an indestructible robot running around the wastes killing your troops when it sees them, but you can deal with it later) they wouldn't have been beaten on multiple occasions (and on both coasts) by the people they themselves call "Power Armored Boy Scouts."

That being said, Vote John Henry Eden.  

[FireKunai]

Roane Farhall

FireKunai

I hope I'm not the only Enclave groupie here sweatdrop

I tend to side with the Enclave cos at least you know where you stand with them. They shoot everyone whereas the Brotherhood of Steel shoot the Ghouls at Underworld! And I luff the Ghouls at Underworld. Most of them are really friendly. That finished it for me with the BOS.

Don't get me wrong, I like Elder Lyons. He's a lovely old man. I always got this feeling from the BOS that they considered me unworthy and such. Plus they didn't make the Lone Wanderer a member until the end of the game D: Fat use that was before BS was released gonk

Least the Enclave are consistant right? biggrin

Plus the Enclave have Colonel Autumn. He just makes me lol so damn much. I can't hate him at all (And his coat is quite lovely as well)

That's pretty much the reasons behind me liking the Outcasts. You know exactly where they stand, and where they stand does not include shooting you on sight. It does include not caring what you're doing unless you point a weapon at them, though.

I like the Enclave as a group, and Colonel Autumn is fairly awesome, but again... Whoever is at the head of the Enclave (like... Way up at the head) is a friggin' idiot. Maybe if they had a leader that actually had some sense of strategy (Shoot the Citadel with your surprise orbital strike, not the robot that wont operate nearly as effectively once the leadership at the Citadel is removed... Really, guys? Sure, you'll still have an indestructible robot running around the wastes killing your troops when it sees them, but you can deal with it later) they wouldn't have been beaten on multiple occasions (and on both coasts) by the people they themselves call "Power Armored Boy Scouts."

That being said, Vote John Henry Eden.

John Henry Eden gets my vote any day of the week

But yes, it is rather sad that the Enclave have been owned not once but twice by the Brotherhood of Steel. Heh, makes you sorry to be a fan sometimes. gonk
Get with it Colonel Autumn! D:

*Shakes fist* The Enclave will have its day yet! Just you wait!

Though I must admit, Broken Steel felt terribly one sided. There was no balance really. Brotherhood were the good guys, Enclave were the bad guys. There was no grey area. You weren't really given a chance to say: "Hang on, I don't really like the Brotherhood of Steel." Too bad, you're a member now. Plus I kinda got the impression that the Brotherhood kinda....claimed Project Purity from the Lone Wanderer, slapping their logo on the side and practically patenting it.

The only thing you got that was remotely Enclave-ish was the chance to blow up the the Citadel. That was it really. Slightly disappointing. Don't get me wrong, I liked it cos I could play past the MQ and it had new weapons and such. That was cool but apart from that, I wasn't all that keen on it.

It's okay, you can say it, I'm a diehard Enclave fan and proud biggrin

And the Outcasts aren't too shabby either. Their comments make me laugh sometimes.  

[mmmmmtoast]

Enclave definitely. The plan to rid the wasteland of radiation was actually a really good idea, Though killing a lot of people, Its just the sacrifice they would need to survive in the long run. Even with clean water, its just holding back the inevitable, You can't kill every radiated creature, and they will just keep destroying more and more until the wasteland is destroyed. (Well, more destroyed) Elder Lyons seems like a huge idiot.  

[Roane Farhall]

Mournful Maniac

Elder Lyons seems like a huge idiot.

Elder Lyons is friggin' Santa Claus surprised

But yeah, Broken Steel was incredibly one sided. That's why you gotta make your own background story for that Enclave soldier that you just shot down. Remember, these soldiers honestly believe they're doing the right thing. It's what they were taught was the right thing since they were born in the Enclave bases (since the Enclave accepts outsiders a little less easily than the outcasts).


As for radiated creatures: I was under the impression that they couldn't reproduce. At least the mutants and ghouls can't, but they live a really long time (as evidenced by the pre-war ghouls you can talk to). It is suggested that the mutants take the people they capture in order to go make more of themselves through SCIENCE (and radiation), but the ghouls don't really have anything to boost their numbers. If you keep killing them, then they'll eventually run out. They are not an infinite number.  

[mmmmmtoast]

Roane Farhall

Mournful Maniac

Elder Lyons seems like a huge idiot.

Elder Lyons is friggin' Santa Claus surprised

But yeah, Broken Steel was incredibly one sided. That's why you gotta make your own background story for that Enclave soldier that you just shot down. Remember, these soldiers honestly believe they're doing the right thing. It's what they were taught was the right thing since they were born in the Enclave bases (since the Enclave accepts outsiders a little less easily than the outcasts).


As for radiated creatures: I was under the impression that they couldn't reproduce. At least the mutants and ghouls can't, but they live a really long time (as evidenced by the pre-war ghouls you can talk to). It is suggested that the mutants take the people they capture in order to go make more of themselves through SCIENCE (and radiation), but the ghouls don't really have anything to boost their numbers. If you keep killing them, then they'll eventually run out. They are not an infinite number.

Yeah thats what I meant, as far as reproduction goes.