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Lord Bitememan
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:02 am


Recently initial approval has been granted for the building of the Cordoba Center, an Islamic cultural center which will also contain a mosque on its premises. This has generated considerable controversy in New York and nationally as the center is proposed to be built just two blocks from the site of the Sept. 11 attacks. So, what say all of you. Should the mosque be built, or should it be off limits?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:36 am


I was thinking someone would bring up this topic, eventually.

In my opinion, nothing against those of the Islamic faith, but I don't agree with this. I understand that it was only a few radicals and not a representation of everyone of that faith. But I think that building a mosque at that location is a slap in the face to Americans. It is an insensitive idea. I think they can find a different location that isn't so close. Also, I think that it could eventually cause violence from those opposed to the idea. So, for safety reasons it is also a bad idea.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:44 am


I feel the suppression of any religion in any way is a breach of Americans Constitutional rights.

We cannot damn an entire religion for what one group of radicals did. That solves nothing.

Also, as it's an Islamic cultural center, it would only make sense to have a Mosque. If you want to look at it like "These are the people who bombed us, we don't want them here", then that should apply to the entire center, not the the temple. It makes no sense to not allow the mosque, but allow the center to go up.

So, I'm all for this going up, I have no qualms about it.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:59 am


I had this topic as a facebook status a few days ago and I just want to post what someone else said about this:

"if it was just a peaceful proposition by the Muslim faith to build a community center, have some decency and respect and just put it somewhere else. Throughout history, kingdoms conquered by the Muslims were then the new ground for which a mosque was built on. How do you think Bin Laden would see this building? As a victory, no doubt."

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:15 am


That is a good point, didn't look at it in that manner. However, I still stand by my opinion. Some people may see it as a slap in the face, but in all reality, most of these people have suffered just as much as we have by the same people. To tell them to go elsewhere would be like saying "You cannot understand what it is we have suffered".

I don't think it would be viewed as a victory. To me it would be a sign of strength. The ability to allow something like that to go up so close to the 9/11 site is showing tolerance and acceptance of those who are our allies. Tolerance and wisdom. It is a sign of tolerance and acceptance. It is wisdom in showing that we understand that not all are to blame for this and we will not make them suffer for it.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:41 pm


I have nothing against them building mosques, but I don't find it an appropriate place for it to be built. It's not that I don't have tolerance for the religion it's just that a lot of people including me find them building a mosque there inconsiderate.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:42 pm


I honestly don't see a problem with it. I mean really? Why is it a huge problem? They want to build it NEAR the Ground Zero site. I could see a problem if it was right on top of the attack site. But it's not. It's two blocks away.

Besides, it's a cultural center. Not a place for people to go and plan a terrorist attack. The Muslims can go there and do some stuff that they enjoy and will teach them. If they want this mosque then let them have it.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:25 pm


I think my sentiments on this matter can be summed up best by this editorial:
http://www.tnr.com/blog/foreign-policy/76929/what-moderate-islam

If the imam sponsoring this mosque and cultural center is, indeed, part of the more moderate mainstream of Islam, we should encourage the building of the center. Not only does it reaffirm our commitment to our fundamental values of tolerance, but it demonstrates that our quarrel is with a violent organization, not a major world religion. But, that said, this is not just a normal location in New York, and there's some questions we ought to clear up first. Mr. Gerecht sums them up nicely. This should function as a cultural center for the moderate, mainstream of Islam, not a victory monument for extremism. If it is to serve as the latter, we definitely have very tenable grounds to object to this. We wouldn't, in good conscience, allow the World Church of the Creator to build a church next door to Auschwitz. Nor, for that matter, would we allow the Ku Klux Klan to build a "Klan Pride Center" across from the National Civil Rights Museum. The sensibilities of affected communities do matter for something. The fundamental issue at hand, then, is the nature of the group. I'm leaning in the Imam's favor currently as I've read he publicly denounced the 9-11 attacks. But there's some more matters I'd like to see him elaborate on first.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:28 pm


Lord Bitememan
I think my sentiments on this matter can be summed up best by this editorial:
http://www.tnr.com/blog/foreign-policy/76929/what-moderate-islam

If the imam sponsoring this mosque and cultural center is, indeed, part of the more moderate mainstream of Islam, we should encourage the building of the center. Not only does it reaffirm our commitment to our fundamental values of tolerance, but it demonstrates that our quarrel is with a violent organization, not a major world religion. But, that said, this is not just a normal location in New York, and there's some questions we ought to clear up first. Mr. Gerecht sums them up nicely. This should function as a cultural center for the moderate, mainstream of Islam, not a victory monument for extremism. If it is to serve as the latter, we definitely have very tenable grounds to object to this. We wouldn't, in good conscience, allow the World Church of the Creator to build a church next door to Auschwitz. Nor, for that matter, would we allow the Ku Klux Klan to build a "Klan Pride Center" across from the National Civil Rights Museum. The sensibilities of affected communities do matter for something. The fundamental issue at hand, then, is the nature of the group. I'm leaning in the Imam's favor currently as I've read he publicly denounced the 9-11 attacks. But there's some more matters I'd like to see him elaborate on first.


Very much how I see and feel about this situation.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:48 pm


I disagree with the idea that we have to please everyone else. It is showing tolerance on our part by letting them build a mosque there and not complaining about it. Yet, where is their tolerance and consideration when it comes to choosing a sight?

Another thing is: how many people in here knew someone killed in 9/11 or had a friend who knew someone killed in 9/11? I think that it is the point of view of those who were involved that should be the most important. Considering that there is at least a few ready to sue over it, I think that should give us a clue to what it really means to have anything Islamic that close to the sight.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:46 am


That's uncalled for Priestess. We have our freedom of speech, and you cannot simply take it away by saying "You haven't personally suffered from this."

I DID lose someone actually. Now, what about those Muslims who lost someone in the attack? These people are just as much a part of America as you and I are, and most have suffered the same as we have, if not worse.

What about families such as these?

http://islam.about.com/blvictims.htm

This isn't to simply "please everyone else". How do you view these people? The way you are making it sound is "there is us, and then there is them". these people are American citizens, just like you and me. They lost loved ones too, and now also have to put up with the hatred it has caused towards their religion. Showing more intolerance towards this religion helps no one.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:10 pm


The mosque is just another way to express religion, if one were to build a church there no one would give a damn I'm sure, so I say let them build, we can't allow religious discrimination towards muslims to continue simply because the extremists that attacked us ten years ago and led to massive discrimination and ignorance towards these people. They have just as much a right to that area as anyone else, and if they decide to build it there, so be it. It's not like someone is building an Al Queda centre

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:00 pm


I'm sorry but the Catholics didn't bomb the twin towers. They are taking this place as an award or some kind of trophy to remember what they did. They call this project "The Cordoba Project". When the Muslims conquered most of Spain they destroyed a catholic cathedral and built the third largest mosque in the world located in Cordoba Spain. This mosque symbolized their victory over the west. If it isn't a factor in why they want that land why wouldn't they move? I mean the governor offered them a lot more land in another area.There must be some reason they are so insistent . Also in the bombing a Greek orthodox church was destroyed when the towers fell. They will not give them a building permit to rebuild where they were already located but they gave it to the Muslims to build their mosque. I'm sorry that's just wrong. Trying to show their lack of discrimination they have shown their hypocrisy.

Oh P.S. Dragoness Arleeana Islam will use our tolerance to destroy us. Notice how almost everything else related to every other religion has been or at least attempted to be removed. If you go to Saudi Arabia with a Bible they will take it away. Yeah! They won't allow a bible in their country. What are they afraid of? We on the other hand sell a Quran in almost every book store.And people think we're the ones being intolerant .
PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:31 pm


Dragoness Arleeana
That's uncalled for Priestess. We have our freedom of speech, and you cannot simply take it away by saying "You haven't personally suffered from this."

I DID lose someone actually. Now, what about those Muslims who lost someone in the attack? These people are just as much a part of America as you and I are, and most have suffered the same as we have, if not worse.

What about families such as these?

http://islam.about.com/blvictims.htm

This isn't to simply "please everyone else". How do you view these people? The way you are making it sound is "there is us, and then there is them". these people are American citizens, just like you and me. They lost loved ones too, and now also have to put up with the hatred it has caused towards their religion. Showing more intolerance towards this religion helps no one.


I don't know why you think my words are a personal attack because they are not.
I'm not trying to take away from your freedom of speech so don't stifle mine because you disagree. I never said that no one here as suffered from it, I'm trying to make people realize the point of view of most of those who were directly affected on that day. There are many people who lost loved ones that find the idea of a mosque uncalled for! I see this less about religious tolerance and more about doing something that can be viewed as completely insensitive to many who have suffered.
From the stand point of a public servant (which I am) and someone who has been affected by the 9/11 incident as well, I stand 100 percent behind those men and women who were fire fighters, police officers and EMS personnel that were there on that day and who stand against the idea of mosque that shows disrespec and insensitivity for those that were there on that day. It is about who is or is not an American citizen and it is not about us versus them. But if you all think it is than why can't the tolerance go both ways? I don't see them being tolerant to American sensitivity. Not all Islams are our enemies but it was Islams who caused this mess. If Muslims want peace and tolerance this is the wrong way to go about it. Considering their history of having a group of Muslims kill others who are not part of their religion and then building mosque in their land. They are doing it again and I can't believe that it is just a coincidence.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:45 am


Number one: I agree with Dragoness Arleena, Muslims were just as much a victim of 9/11 as people of other faiths and in some ways more thanks to the inevitable really bad image that came of it plus problems. Just because a small section of a religion seem to think terrorism is a good idea doesn't mean the rest of the followers do or that they also don't feel the repercussions of it. If the Imam of the planned mosque was a sympathiser to 9/11, then I'd get it, but for one thing he isn't and and it's not as if it's going to be on the site of Ground Zero, which would be a tad insensitive to say the least.

Number two: Underworld Priestess, may I just point out that Islam is not the only religion with a dodgey past. For example, Christianity is hardly the most innocent of religions, I mean During the Tudor times, Christians of one denomitation illegalised the other and often had practioners of it excecuted, and that was of their own faith, let alone other religions! Today you can find Catholic and Protestant Churches side by side.
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