DMS Week 6

[Frog Apocalypse]

Turn A Gundam vs Hi-Nu Gundam

Silas got the specs for these up, so check out the scores thread! It will be on the first page of the thread, edited into his first post I believe.

Anyway, onto strengths/weaknesses!


Turn A strengths

The Turn A despite its appearance, is an extremely advanced suit, close to 3,000 years ahead of anything else. It has many armaments, including the famed Gundam Hammer, which is like a Morning Star used in medieval times, only giant, and with rockets housed inside it. It also has a beam rifle, and a devastating attack known as the "Moonlight Butterfly". This attack actually breaks down technology into sand. It can also regenerate both itself and the pilot through nanomachines, although this hasn't been confirmed by any use in the series.

Weakness

The Turn A has no vernier thrusters, so it is not usable in space, and cannot fly in Earth's atmosphere. The pilot of the Turn A, Loran, is a rookie, though his skills increase throughout the series. The Turn A is also old, being buried in a mountain for an unknown number of years, and as such, it may not be as durable as it once was.




Hi-Nu strengths
The Hi-Nu is piloted by ace Armuro Ray, and has a Fin Funnel system, allowing for attack or defense using the Funnels. For attacking, they act as beam weapons, and for defense, for a beam shield, capable of blocking all but the most powerful attacks. Unlike the Nu Gundam, the Hi-Nu can recharge it's funnels, allowing near infinite use.

Weaknesses
Reading the history of both pilot and machine, no glaring or even subtle weaknesses can be found. However, everything has some sort of weakness, even if not visible from the start.
Edit: Amuro has a fear of going into space, due to the accidental killing of Lalah Sune, however this fear is presumed gone by the time of the events of the Zeta Gundam series.  

[Ryoga316]

Obviously the Hi-Nu. The overall performance of the Turn-A is akin to that of the RX-78. What makes it different from the latter is that it has nanomachines that can repair the unit when taking damage, as well as the dreaded Moonlight Butterfly, and an I-Field for Beam Defense.

The Hi-Nu has more than all the abilities it needs to take the Turn-A out. What remains to be seen is whether or not the Moonlight Butterfly can immobilize the Hi-Nu. One factor is the Psychoframe. Even with the Psychoframe being more developed in Gundam Unicorn, it still possesses powers yet to be released. This serves as a trump card for Amuro to use in a situation such as this and is shown when the Amuro and Loran actually fought in Gundam Musou 2/Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2.  

[Silas Parrish]

Gonna have to correct both of you, here...the Turn A is capable of atmospheric and space flight. True, it lacks verniers, but it does have a powerful propulsion system based on the same technology as the I-Field. Also, the Turn A's performance is nowhere close to the RX-78. I don't know who told you that...but the Turn A was the very pinnacle of Federation technology at the time of its construction. And the fact that it was kept inside a mountain is irrelevant, since the Federation also had developed a way to preserve technology for long-term storage. I advise both of you to watch the Turn A anime in its entirety, and consult mahq for information regarding side stories and whatnot. Also...I don't know why you cited the events of a video game's storyline. Vidja games adaptations of existing stories are NEVER considered canon. That's like me playing Gundam Battle Assault, and insisting that the Zaku could beat Wing Gundam, just because that's how it happened when I last played the game.  

[Ty Gwynnia]

I, uh, like the part where the Hi-Nu can recharge it's "funnels"... sweatdrop  

[Javier Cross]

I am going to vote here, then.
Is it alright if i admit that the Hi-Nu would have to have really good pilots on par with Heero Yui or Amuro Ray to even have a shot at shutting down the Turn-A Gundam, since its extremely powerful?  

[Silas Parrish]

I think who's piloting them makes very little difference here. The gap in power is that wide. It'd be like the world's greatest Mustang pilot trying to take down an F-15. While the Mustang once represented the very pinnacle of our airborne technology, it simply cannot keep up with the weapons of the future. Same with the Hi-Nu and Turn A.  

[Frog Apocalypse]

If you wanna get technical about it, Turn A isn't from the UC timeline. It be from the CC, so can't really say it is from the future or past compared to the Hi-Nu, even if it does appear in games along side the UC suits at times.  

[Silas Parrish]

Ah, but that's where you're wrong. In the official UC handbook that comes with DVD box sets of the old shows in Japan, the producers and writers of the shows confirm that Turn A's past is, in fact, RX-78's future. The Black History that the Turn A mythos refers to? That's the One Year War. Look it up.  

[Frog Apocalypse]

Did not know it referred to the One Year War. But not knowing the exact date of the Turn A's construction also hinders what we can say. For all we know it was built only slightly after the others, and not 3000 years after.  

[Javier Cross]

So was it created during the future of the RX-78's fate, exactly?  

[Silas Parrish]

Gundam Arashi

Did not know it referred to the One Year War. But not knowing the exact date of the Turn A's construction also hinders what we can say. For all we know it was built only slightly after the others, and not 3000 years after.

considering the vast difference in the technology employed, we can assume it was a long time before the Turn A was built. Up to that point, all Gundams were constructed with nuclear power of some sort. The Turn A is powered by a damn black hole.  

[Silas Parrish]

Javier Cross

So was it created during the future of the RX-78's fate, exactly?

Umm...what?  

[Javier Cross]

Silas Parrish

Javier Cross

So was it created during the future of the RX-78's fate, exactly?

Umm...what?

I am trying to imagine when the Turn-A was created.
So the Turn-A was somehow powered by a Black Hole, right?
How did they manage?  

[Silas Parrish]

Javier Cross

Silas Parrish

Javier Cross

So was it created during the future of the RX-78's fate, exactly?

Umm...what?

I am trying to imagine when the Turn-A was created.
So the Turn-A was somehow powered by a Black Hole, right?
How did they manage?

I dunno. They use the vast time distance as an excuse to not explain anything like that lol. They just say that no one knows how it works exactly, just that it's powered by a black hole. And yeah, it was the last Federation weapon ever built before the world's accidental destruction.  

[Frog Apocalypse]

Silas Parrish

Javier Cross

Silas Parrish

Javier Cross

So was it created during the future of the RX-78's fate, exactly?

Umm...what?

I am trying to imagine when the Turn-A was created.
So the Turn-A was somehow powered by a Black Hole, right?
How did they manage?

I dunno. They use the vast time distance as an excuse to not explain anything like that lol. They just say that no one knows how it works exactly, just that it's powered by a black hole. And yeah, it was the last Federation weapon ever built before the world's accidental destruction.

That doesn't give a year. As I said before, it could have been built shortly after the others and not hundreds of years after.