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 Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:04 am
I was having an argument with my friend earlier about the AN-94.He argued that because of Russia not being able to fund its production that it will never be used and just be forgotten. I argued that its simply too advanced and complex to just drop it completely and that eventually some country will end up using it Thoughts? opinions? PS:If you dont know what the an-94 is here: http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/abakan.htm
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:27 am
 It's like Rube Goldberg ******** a Swiss clock. THAT IS A ******** PULLEY BEHIND THE CHAMBER. THERE IS A PULLEY IN THIS GUN. How this thing ever got a place in the Russian military is lightyears beyond me. Mosin-Nagant: simple. PPSh: simple. AK-47: simple. AK-74: simple. AN-94: ********.
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:39 am
Fresnel It's like Rube Goldberg ******** a Swiss clock. THAT IS A ******** PULLEY BEHIND THE CHAMBER. THERE IS A PULLEY IN THIS GUN. How this thing ever got a place in the Russian military is lightyears beyond me. Mosin-Nagant: simple. PPSh: simple. AK-47: simple. AK-74: simple. AN-94: ******** class="clear"> yeah,Im still not entirely sure how it works and that picture really doesnt help but I digress, the nagant as awesome as it is, was just another gun designed to compete with Mauser.The ppsh doesnt really take much inspiration,and the AK system was inspired by the Stg 44.my point is that the an-94 is in my mind one of the few true russian gun designs and therefore cant really be compared in terms of engineering to the other guns used by Russia.
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:07 am
hockeyboy96 Fresnel
It's like Rube Goldberg ******** a Swiss clock. THAT IS A ******** PULLEY BEHIND THE CHAMBER. THERE IS A PULLEY IN THIS GUN. How this thing ever got a place in the Russian military is lightyears beyond me. Mosin-Nagant: simple. PPSh: simple. AK-47: simple. AK-74: simple. AN-94: ******** class="clear">
yeah,Im still not entirely sure how it works and that picture really doesnt help but I digress, the nagant as awesome as it is, was just another gun designed to compete with Mauser.The ppsh doesnt really take much inspiration,and the AK system was inspired by the Stg 44.my point is that the an-94 is in my mind one of the few true russian gun designs and therefore cant really be compared in terms of engineering to the other guns used by Russia. It was inspired by the StG-44, yeah, but it wasn't in any way copied. It was just "oh hey, we should make something like this, too." That picture is perfectly representative of what the inside of an Abakan looks like. It's a massive ******** and you need to have an IQ over 130 to even field strip and re-assemble it, and then you need to roll Save vs. Dexterity so you don't lose a spring somewhere. You want original Russian, check the Fedorov. First assault rifle ever to see military use? Check. Pity it shot 6.5mm Arisaka.
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:16 am
the AK type weapon that counterbalances itself to keep it perfectly still while firing is a much more worthy design.
probably costs a lot less than the AN94
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:49 pm
Fresnel hockeyboy96 Fresnel
It's like Rube Goldberg ******** a Swiss clock. THAT IS A ******** PULLEY BEHIND THE CHAMBER. THERE IS A PULLEY IN THIS GUN. How this thing ever got a place in the Russian military is lightyears beyond me. Mosin-Nagant: simple. PPSh: simple. AK-47: simple. AK-74: simple. AN-94: ******** class="clear">
yeah,Im still not entirely sure how it works and that picture really doesnt help but I digress, the nagant as awesome as it is, was just another gun designed to compete with Mauser.The ppsh doesnt really take much inspiration,and the AK system was inspired by the Stg 44.my point is that the an-94 is in my mind one of the few true russian gun designs and therefore cant really be compared in terms of engineering to the other guns used by Russia. It was inspired by the StG-44, yeah, but it wasn't in any way copied. It was just "oh hey, we should make something like this, too." That picture is perfectly representative of what the inside of an Abakan looks like. It's a massive ******** and you need to have an IQ over 130 to even field strip and re-assemble it, and then you need to roll Save vs. Dexterity so you don't lose a spring somewhere. You want original Russian, check the Fedorov. First assault rifle ever to see military use? Check. Pity it shot 6.5mm Arisaka. still though even with its complexity do you think it could ever be deployed?
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:55 pm
hockeyboy96 Fresnel hockeyboy96 Fresnel
It's like Rube Goldberg ******** a Swiss clock. THAT IS A ******** PULLEY BEHIND THE CHAMBER. THERE IS A PULLEY IN THIS GUN. How this thing ever got a place in the Russian military is lightyears beyond me. Mosin-Nagant: simple. PPSh: simple. AK-47: simple. AK-74: simple. AN-94: ******** class="clear">
yeah,Im still not entirely sure how it works and that picture really doesnt help but I digress, the nagant as awesome as it is, was just another gun designed to compete with Mauser.The ppsh doesnt really take much inspiration,and the AK system was inspired by the Stg 44.my point is that the an-94 is in my mind one of the few true russian gun designs and therefore cant really be compared in terms of engineering to the other guns used by Russia. It was inspired by the StG-44, yeah, but it wasn't in any way copied. It was just "oh hey, we should make something like this, too." That picture is perfectly representative of what the inside of an Abakan looks like. It's a massive ******** and you need to have an IQ over 130 to even field strip and re-assemble it, and then you need to roll Save vs. Dexterity so you don't lose a spring somewhere. You want original Russian, check the Fedorov. First assault rifle ever to see military use? Check. Pity it shot 6.5mm Arisaka. still though even with its complexity do you think it could ever be deployed? Do I think it could be deployed? Sure. Do I think it would be tactically sound to do so? Heck no. I heard the testers even hated it because it was impossible to clean, and a b***h to re-assemble.
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:04 am
"Fresnel"] hockeyboy96 Fresnel hockeyboy96 Fresnel
It's like Rube Goldberg ******** a Swiss clock. THAT IS A ******** PULLEY BEHIND THE CHAMBER. THERE IS A PULLEY IN THIS GUN. How this thing ever got a place in the Russian military is lightyears beyond me. Mosin-Nagant: simple. PPSh: simple. AK-47: simple. AK-74: simple. AN-94: ******** class="clear">
yeah,Im still not entirely sure how it works and that picture really doesnt help but I digress, the nagant as awesome as it is, was just another gun designed to compete with Mauser.The ppsh doesnt really take much inspiration,and the AK system was inspired by the Stg 44.my point is that the an-94 is in my mind one of the few true russian gun designs and therefore cant really be compared in terms of engineering to the other guns used by Russia. It was inspired by the StG-44, yeah, but it wasn't in any way copied. It was just "oh hey, we should make something like this, too." That picture is perfectly representative of what the inside of an Abakan looks like. It's a massive ******** and you need to have an IQ over 130 to even field strip and re-assemble it, and then you need to roll Save vs. Dexterity so you don't lose a spring somewhere. You want original Russian, check the Fedorov. First assault rifle ever to see military use? Check. Pity it shot 6.5mm Arisaka. still though even with its complexity do you think it could ever be deployed? Do I think it could be deployed? Sure. Do I think it would be tactically sound to do so? Heck no. I heard the testers even hated it because it was impossible to clean, and a b***h to re-assemble.[/quote/] Yeah your right.It's just a shame that cool guns like that will never be mass produced ie.I will never get one
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:10 am
hockeyboy96 Fresnel hockeyboy96 Fresnel hockeyboy96 Fresnel
It's like Rube Goldberg ******** a Swiss clock. THAT IS A ******** PULLEY BEHIND THE CHAMBER. THERE IS A PULLEY IN THIS GUN. How this thing ever got a place in the Russian military is lightyears beyond me. Mosin-Nagant: simple. PPSh: simple. AK-47: simple. AK-74: simple. AN-94: ******** class="clear">
yeah,Im still not entirely sure how it works and that picture really doesnt help but I digress, the nagant as awesome as it is, was just another gun designed to compete with Mauser.The ppsh doesnt really take much inspiration,and the AK system was inspired by the Stg 44.my point is that the an-94 is in my mind one of the few true russian gun designs and therefore cant really be compared in terms of engineering to the other guns used by Russia. It was inspired by the StG-44, yeah, but it wasn't in any way copied. It was just "oh hey, we should make something like this, too." That picture is perfectly representative of what the inside of an Abakan looks like. It's a massive ******** and you need to have an IQ over 130 to even field strip and re-assemble it, and then you need to roll Save vs. Dexterity so you don't lose a spring somewhere. You want original Russian, check the Fedorov. First assault rifle ever to see military use? Check. Pity it shot 6.5mm Arisaka. still though even with its complexity do you think it could ever be deployed? Do I think it could be deployed? Sure. Do I think it would be tactically sound to do so? Heck no. I heard the testers even hated it because it was impossible to clean, and a b***h to re-assemble. Yeah your right.It's just a shame that cool guns like that will never be mass produced ie.I will never get one That's alright, it's Russian. You'd never get one anyway. Russian guns have been illegal to import since, like, '94. Even civilian models.
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:31 am
Fresnel hockeyboy96 Fresnel hockeyboy96 Fresnel It was inspired by the StG-44, yeah, but it wasn't in any way copied. It was just "oh hey, we should make something like this, too." That picture is perfectly representative of what the inside of an Abakan looks like. It's a massive ******** and you need to have an IQ over 130 to even field strip and re-assemble it, and then you need to roll Save vs. Dexterity so you don't lose a spring somewhere. You want original Russian, check the Fedorov. First assault rifle ever to see military use? Check. Pity it shot 6.5mm Arisaka. still though even with its complexity do you think it could ever be deployed? Do I think it could be deployed? Sure. Do I think it would be tactically sound to do so? Heck no. I heard the testers even hated it because it was impossible to clean, and a b***h to re-assemble. Yeah your right.It's just a shame that cool guns like that will never be mass produced ie.I will never get one That's alright, it's Russian. You'd never get one anyway. Russian guns have been illegal to import since, like, '94. Even civilian models. russian rifles are available, theyre just a little harder to find. and when I mean russian made AK's I mean the russian AK parts kits that are still being imported and assembled into russian ak rifles. dont forget the saigas that are converted to AK's are still technically russian AK rifles too.
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:16 am
Recon_Ninja_985 Fresnel hockeyboy96 Fresnel hockeyboy96 Fresnel It was inspired by the StG-44, yeah, but it wasn't in any way copied. It was just "oh hey, we should make something like this, too." That picture is perfectly representative of what the inside of an Abakan looks like. It's a massive ******** and you need to have an IQ over 130 to even field strip and re-assemble it, and then you need to roll Save vs. Dexterity so you don't lose a spring somewhere. You want original Russian, check the Fedorov. First assault rifle ever to see military use? Check. Pity it shot 6.5mm Arisaka. still though even with its complexity do you think it could ever be deployed? Do I think it could be deployed? Sure. Do I think it would be tactically sound to do so? Heck no. I heard the testers even hated it because it was impossible to clean, and a b***h to re-assemble. Yeah your right.It's just a shame that cool guns like that will never be mass produced ie.I will never get one That's alright, it's Russian. You'd never get one anyway. Russian guns have been illegal to import since, like, '94. Even civilian models. russian rifles are available, theyre just a little harder to find. and when I mean russian made AK's I mean the russian AK parts kits that are still being imported and assembled into russian ak rifles. dont forget the saigas that are converted to AK's are still technically russian AK rifles too. Available, yes, but they're all pre-'94 imports. And I don't think the AN-94 was available for import before '94, for obvious reasons. Are Saigas even made in Russia? I swear they're, like, made in North Carolina by Russians to Russian specs or something, but they're not actually imported from Russia.
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:55 pm
Fresnel Recon_Ninja_985 Fresnel hockeyboy96 Fresnel Do I think it could be deployed? Sure. Do I think it would be tactically sound to do so? Heck no. I heard the testers even hated it because it was impossible to clean, and a b***h to re-assemble. Yeah your right.It's just a shame that cool guns like that will never be mass produced ie.I will never get one That's alright, it's Russian. You'd never get one anyway. Russian guns have been illegal to import since, like, '94. Even civilian models. russian rifles are available, theyre just a little harder to find. and when I mean russian made AK's I mean the russian AK parts kits that are still being imported and assembled into russian ak rifles. dont forget the saigas that are converted to AK's are still technically russian AK rifles too. Available, yes, but they're all pre-'94 imports. And I don't think the AN-94 was available for import before '94, for obvious reasons. Are Saigas even made in Russia? I swear they're, like, made in North Carolina by Russians to Russian specs or something, but they're not actually imported from Russia. saigas are built in russia by izshmash as "sporting" rifles and then they ship em here. thats how they get around the import ban. they can be reconfigured into their true form once they make it into the states. arsenal is making a killing off the saigas by converting them and then hyperinflating the price by boasting them as their own "high quality AK" truthfully however the saiga is already high quality and extraordinarily reliable due to the fact that came barrled and assembled as is from the factory and not put together from a mismatched receiver and chopped up parts kit.
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:50 pm
Recon_Ninja_985 Fresnel Recon_Ninja_985 Fresnel hockeyboy96 Fresnel Do I think it could be deployed? Sure. Do I think it would be tactically sound to do so? Heck no. I heard the testers even hated it because it was impossible to clean, and a b***h to re-assemble. Yeah your right.It's just a shame that cool guns like that will never be mass produced ie.I will never get one That's alright, it's Russian. You'd never get one anyway. Russian guns have been illegal to import since, like, '94. Even civilian models. russian rifles are available, theyre just a little harder to find. and when I mean russian made AK's I mean the russian AK parts kits that are still being imported and assembled into russian ak rifles. dont forget the saigas that are converted to AK's are still technically russian AK rifles too. Available, yes, but they're all pre-'94 imports. And I don't think the AN-94 was available for import before '94, for obvious reasons. Are Saigas even made in Russia? I swear they're, like, made in North Carolina by Russians to Russian specs or something, but they're not actually imported from Russia. saigas are built in russia by izshmash as "sporting" rifles and then they ship em here. thats how they get around the import ban. they can be reconfigured into their true form once they make it into the states. arsenal is making a killing off the saigas by converting them and then hyperinflating the price by boasting them as their own "high quality AK" truthfully however the saiga is already high quality and extraordinarily reliable due to the fact that came barrled and assembled as is from the factory and not put together from a mismatched receiver and chopped up parts kit. See, but I thought the import ban included sporting arms. That's why we can't have nice things, like the MTs-255.
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:23 pm
Fresnel Recon_Ninja_985 Fresnel Recon_Ninja_985 Fresnel That's alright, it's Russian. You'd never get one anyway. Russian guns have been illegal to import since, like, '94. Even civilian models. russian rifles are available, theyre just a little harder to find. and when I mean russian made AK's I mean the russian AK parts kits that are still being imported and assembled into russian ak rifles. dont forget the saigas that are converted to AK's are still technically russian AK rifles too. Available, yes, but they're all pre-'94 imports. And I don't think the AN-94 was available for import before '94, for obvious reasons. Are Saigas even made in Russia? I swear they're, like, made in North Carolina by Russians to Russian specs or something, but they're not actually imported from Russia. saigas are built in russia by izshmash as "sporting" rifles and then they ship em here. thats how they get around the import ban. they can be reconfigured into their true form once they make it into the states. arsenal is making a killing off the saigas by converting them and then hyperinflating the price by boasting them as their own "high quality AK" truthfully however the saiga is already high quality and extraordinarily reliable due to the fact that came barrled and assembled as is from the factory and not put together from a mismatched receiver and chopped up parts kit. See, but I thought the import ban included sporting arms. That's why we can't have nice things, like the MTs-255. if it did include them we wouldnt have any saigas. mt-255's may not have been seen as having a very big market, or maybe they didnt manufacture very many. or perhaps russia just felt it should be exclusive to them or something, idk
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:13 am
Recon_Ninja_985 Fresnel Recon_Ninja_985 Fresnel Recon_Ninja_985 Fresnel That's alright, it's Russian. You'd never get one anyway. Russian guns have been illegal to import since, like, '94. Even civilian models. russian rifles are available, theyre just a little harder to find. and when I mean russian made AK's I mean the russian AK parts kits that are still being imported and assembled into russian ak rifles. dont forget the saigas that are converted to AK's are still technically russian AK rifles too. Available, yes, but they're all pre-'94 imports. And I don't think the AN-94 was available for import before '94, for obvious reasons. Are Saigas even made in Russia? I swear they're, like, made in North Carolina by Russians to Russian specs or something, but they're not actually imported from Russia. saigas are built in russia by izshmash as "sporting" rifles and then they ship em here. thats how they get around the import ban. they can be reconfigured into their true form once they make it into the states. arsenal is making a killing off the saigas by converting them and then hyperinflating the price by boasting them as their own "high quality AK" truthfully however the saiga is already high quality and extraordinarily reliable due to the fact that came barrled and assembled as is from the factory and not put together from a mismatched receiver and chopped up parts kit. See, but I thought the import ban included sporting arms. That's why we can't have nice things, like the MTs-255. if it did include them we wouldnt have any saigas. mt-255's may not have been seen as having a very big market, or maybe they didnt manufacture very many. or perhaps russia just felt it should be exclusive to them or something, idk Not quite correct. If it did include them, then Saigas would simply not have been made at Izhmash. An American-made Saiga-branded AK would still be perfectly legal. Like Glock... if we banned Austrian imports, we'd still have Glocks, because they're made in Smyrna, GA. They weren't THAT expensive, not for an upscale shotgun. They priced at 50k Roubles, which is roughly $1,700 US. If it's a quality gun produced to Russian shotgun standards, I think that's a fair price, really. If I had the money, I would not grumble about paying that much for a unique and quality gun, not when Beretta charges upwards of $11,000 for a quality over/under, and $1800 for the competition semi I have on my list as a "when I'm old and want to take up trap" gun. Someone needs to license these in America. Also, motherloving ********, if this gun doesn't bring about the second coming of Christ when you pull the trigger, I do not know how they justify the price tag. http://www.berettausa.com/products/so-10/
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