you are what you hate

[Shanna66]

ive been noticing ALOT of people who hate "preps" for stereotyping goths. well, arent you doing the same to them? i just find it a bit hypocritical. not all preps are bad, most of them are quite nice.
well, anyhoo, sate opinions arguments, whatever. you guys know the drill.  

[.+Melanthios+.]

Shanna66

ive been noticing ALOT of people who hate "preps" for stereotyping goths. well, arent you doing the same to them? i just find it a bit hypocritical. not all preps are bad, most of them are quite nice.
well, anyhoo, sate opinions arguments, whatever. you guys know the drill.

you're quite right....
When I'm looking for friends I try to be open-minded that not all people that can be classified in a group are one way. I have a lot of prep and gothhorror punk friends....

You have to accept someone for who they are not whqat they are a part of  

[fantasma_mirth]

Very true. "Gothic" ande "prep" are just labels for different people. While they may help to recognise someone on the street the tell us almost nothing of the person's personality.  

[-Resurrected Writer-]

fantasma_mirth

Very true. "Gothic" ande "prep" are just labels for different people. While they may help to recognise someone on the street the tell us almost nothing of the person's personality.

In terms of deep-down personality, no. But there are some things people can tell from your clothes - in terms of your bells and whistles, if you catch my drift.  

[Silenus Slade]

In case you haven't noticed, it's alright to hate things. It's an opinion, words are good and when people say they hate something in an open format where anyone can respond, then who cares? I've noticed that people who point out that those who hate things are somehow "hypocritical" do not possess well-developed outlooks on the world of their own and instead are trying to take part in a quasi-existentialism that died well before the 80's. Tangent: Some people get to a point in their studies where they say "this is my opinion" and stop. If at any point a person feels informed, self-righteous, and stops exploring, that person is invalid in my book.

So I propose a stop to the semantics, throwing away being one with the Dao, and instead enjoying the carnage of forceful debate and clashing opinions.

I hate Nazis. Hate them. I don't feel like getting to know a person who is one, I don't intend to accept them for who they are, it is enough to define them by what they are a part of. I hate people who piss on toilet seats, even though I'm a guy and it really doesn't affect me. I hate people who don't embrace the idea of preconceptions, but I equally hate people who are cemented in their own. I hate the way cottage cheese looks AND tastes. I hate stereotypes, but I LOVE cliches. Citizen Kane wasn't a bad movie, but it's not great either. I didn't like it. I even hate myself at times, but hey, I love that I do.  

[lurichan]

I tend to go for the "people are people" viewpoint overall. I might take longer to warm up to a person if I think they might hurt me (emtionally or mentally) based on their own preconcieved notions, but usually that has more to do with paganism than being a goth (for me).

I personally don't "hate all preps and this they should die" because that is just viewing the world in black and white, looking soley at a dicotomy of goth vs. everyone else which really isn't right. Since I've gotten older I've mellowed out a bit and I'm not half as confrontational as I used to be. Instead of harboring the "Us vs. Them" mentality I've gradually moved towards a more open ended perspective of seeing people on terms of what they individually do and act around me. This turns into a sort of +/- game in my head. Each time someone does something possitive I react a little more favorably towards them, and each time someone does or says something negative I act a little bit more cool and distant towards them. I find this to be a lot more rewarding than saying "these people are ____, I can't associate with them".  

[slipknot_him_slut]

Silenus Slade

In case you haven't noticed, it's alright to hate things. It's an opinion, words are good and when people say they hate something in an open format where anyone can respond, then who cares? I've noticed that people who point out that those who hate things are somehow "hypocritical" do not possess well-developed outlooks on the world of their own and instead are trying to take part in a quasi-existentialism that died well before the 80's. Tangent: Some people get to a point in their studies where they say "this is my opinion" and stop. If at any point a person feels informed, self-righteous, and stops exploring, that person is invalid in my book.

So I propose a stop to the semantics, throwing away being one with the Dao, and instead enjoying the carnage of forceful debate and clashing opinions.

I hate Nazis. Hate them. I don't feel like getting to know a person who is one, I don't intend to accept them for who they are, it is enough to define them by what they are a part of. I hate people who piss on toilet seats, even though I'm a guy and it really doesn't affect me. I hate people who don't embrace the idea of preconceptions, but I equally hate people who are cemented in their own. I hate the way cottage cheese looks AND tastes. I hate stereotypes, but I LOVE cliches. Citizen Kane wasn't a bad movie, but it's not great either. I didn't like it. I even hate myself at times, but hey, I love that I do.

i totally agree with you ...i mean hate is part of our nature and sometimes we tend to use "stereotypes" to define what we hate...i do it all the time without noticing .... i have a few friends that are "preps" i mean the label has nothing to do with the person but it's a way to define or give someone an idea of what i'm talking about... and yes i do hate sterotypes but it's hard to not use them when we live in this society.....i hate a hell of a lot of things and that's just my opinion on things...*i think i just confused my self..now my head hurts*  

[Obnoxia]

Yeash.

This is why labels are a bad idea.
Other people are just mis/understood about the goth sub-culture.
We don't have the same preferences as they do.... so why try and judge something we know nothing about?

Then again... They do the same to us, so as long as we don't criticize them for what they do to us, it's perfectly logical.

But I do agree with the stand point that we are hypocritical if we do criticize it.

 

[fantasma_mirth]

Dead_Ed

fantasma_mirth

Very true. "Gothic" ande "prep" are just labels for different people. While they may help to recognise someone on the street the tell us almost nothing of the person's personality.

In terms of deep-down personality, no. But there are some things people can tell from your clothes - in terms of your bells and whistles, if you catch my drift.

Agreed, a person's lifestyle does tell us about them. However, many people only look at the surface. It could be that a prep is a giddy happy person with way to much money, or they could actually be very serious and careing. The problem is when people just see someone on the street and say " she's depressed" or " she's a priss" without talking to them.  

[mildlycrazy13]

I think the problem is that there are to many misconseptions about labels that make people hate them. For example, many people think preps are rich rude snobs that think they're all that, wear to much perfume, jewelry, and wear only the big well known brands. Many don't see that not everyone is the same.
I see nothing wrong with labeling for it gives people a general idea of the person, some people just take it to far.  

[The Reused]

i really dont mind the preps that dont make fun of me, heck ill be friends with them too , but the only thing that annoys me is the "gangsters" who comment in rude ways on my clothes. they just need to get a life mrgreen  

[Shanna66]

Silenus Slade

In case you haven't noticed, it's alright to hate things. It's an opinion, words are good and when people say they hate something in an open format where anyone can respond, then who cares? I've noticed that people who point out that those who hate things are somehow "hypocritical" do not possess well-developed outlooks on the world of their own and instead are trying to take part in a quasi-existentialism that died well before the 80's. Tangent: Some people get to a point in their studies where they say "this is my opinion" and stop. If at any point a person feels informed, self-righteous, and stops exploring, that person is invalid in my book.

So I propose a stop to the semantics, throwing away being one with the Dao, and instead enjoying the carnage of forceful debate and clashing opinions.

I hate Nazis. Hate them. I don't feel like getting to know a person who is one, I don't intend to accept them for who they are, it is enough to define them by what they are a part of. I hate people who piss on toilet seats, even though I'm a guy and it really doesn't affect me. I hate people who don't embrace the idea of preconceptions, but I equally hate people who are cemented in their own. I hate the way cottage cheese looks AND tastes. I hate stereotypes, but I LOVE cliches. Citizen Kane wasn't a bad movie, but it's not great either. I didn't like it. I even hate myself at times, but hey, I love that I do.

ok, ok. i didnt say you cant hate them. i just meant that we hate it when they pretend to know us yet we do it to them. i hate some people too, just not in groups. except for the toilet seat thing, i hate those people too  

[Angel Bruja]

Everyone here makes good points. I agree with all of you on many aspects.  

[Silenus Slade]

Shanna66

ok, ok. i didnt say you cant hate them. i just meant that we hate it when they pretend to know us yet we do it to them. i hate some people too, just not in groups. except for the toilet seat thing, i hate those people too

That's too general of a statement for me, and I don't feel it has enough of a warrant to represent people as a whole. Stick to your guns though.