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 Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:07 pm
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Well, I can say that after spending enough time studying this guild's general populus, that I have a great problem with some attitudes I've seen.
"I'd rather be this way than acting like a prep"
"Wannabe gangstas"
"Hicks"
"Punk rocker"
"Emo"
And the killer line: "I don't like labels"
Furthermore: "They stare at me"
"My family doesn't like it"
Frankly, I'm sick of hearing a lot of it. Before you tell me "If you don't like it then leave", I'd like to say that there's certain people here who I like and would prefer staying in this guild just for the sake of their being here.
What is so wrong with acting like a prep, or being a gangster, wannabe or not? Is there a problem with being a hick? Is there a problem with acting like the "emo kids"?
You realize that the judgmental attitudes that you bear against those people are the same judgmental attitudes that you try to resist and hate when they're used against you? Try to practice what you preach.
If you're against labels, why are you in a goth guild?
If you don't like how people are against your lifestyle of being a so-called "goth", either quit living the alternative lifestyle or grow a thick skin and shut up. When you confirmed that you yourself were a goth, you automatically accepted the fact that you were gonna get heckled for it and treated differently. Deal with it.
This is not directed at anyone in particular, it's just to make people think. If you find that you're generating hypocrisy or anything else covered in the above, fix yourself, or at least think about it. Hell, if you want, I'd enjoy it if I got some answers to some of the questions I asked.
Thank you, that is all.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:19 pm
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I for one never confirmed that I was a Goth. I joined because I can relate to Goths, and dress similarly to them, and sometimes feel the same. I'm just not sure I would consider myself one, as I don't wear make up, and I wear colors that aren't black sometimes.
Still, I agree with what you're saying. Nothing wrong with emos, or preps, or skaters I guess. The preps just piss me off sometimes, but still, they have the right to be prep if the people here can be Goth.
As for my view on labels, it goes like this...
Telling someone they're like a Goth is not bad. Making fun of them for it, or acting differently towards them is. Calling yourself one is not bad. Going out of your way to be one, and only buying what you think is "Goth" is bad. In my opinion that is.
Thanks,
-CrimsonThanatos
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:46 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:49 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:05 pm
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Isel Well, I can say that after spending enough time studying this guild's general populus, that I have a great problem with some attitudes I've seen.
"I'd rather be this way than acting like a prep"
"Wannabe gangstas"
"Hicks"
"Punk rocker"
"Emo"
And the killer line: "I don't like labels"
Furthermore: "They stare at me"
"My family doesn't like it"
Frankly, I'm sick of hearing a lot of it. Before you tell me "If you don't like it then leave", I'd like to say that there's certain people here who I like and would prefer staying in this guild just for the sake of their being here.
What is so wrong with acting like a prep, or being a gangster, wannabe or not? Is there a problem with being a hick? Is there a problem with acting like the "emo kids"?
You realize that the judgmental attitudes that you bear against those people are the same judgmental attitudes that you try to resist and hate when they're used against you? Try to practice what you preach.
If you're against labels, why are you in a goth guild?
If you don't like how people are against your lifestyle of being a so-called "goth", either quit living the alternative lifestyle or grow a thick skin and shut up. When you confirmed that you yourself were a goth, you automatically accepted the fact that you were gonna get heckled for it and treated differently. Deal with it.
This is not directed at anyone in particular, it's just to make people think. If you find that you're generating hypocrisy or anything else covered in the above, fix yourself, or at least think about it. Hell, if you want, I'd enjoy it if I got some answers to some of the questions I asked.
Thank you, that is all.
I agree as well you are 100% right.... exclaim |
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:53 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:54 pm
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Isel
You realize that the judgmental attitudes that you bear against those people are the same judgmental attitudes that you try to resist and hate when they're used against you? Try to practice what you preach.
If you're against labels, why are you in a goth guild?
exclaim exclaim exclaim exclaim exclaim exclaim exclaim exclaim exclaim exclaim
THANK YOU!!!
For the record, I am a very judgemental person, and I do practice what I preach.
I do call people preps,or hicks, or thugs, or chavs, and I mean it. I call emo kids emo because they're overly emotional twats.
I'm a b***h. I'm a snarky, sarcastic, cynical b***h... who's sometimes a very-nice, empathetic, advice-giving guru. But, yet again, I AM judgmental.
I do use labels, and I have never denied it. Saying you don't like labels is the biggest crock of bullshit I have ever heard. If you don't like labels, then stop speaking, because words are labels, you morons.
... well, that's all I have to say at the moment. xd |
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:54 pm
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I have to say that I am probably more judgemental than I should be. However I do not judge people on their looks, I judge on their personalities. I believe that I do practice what I preach because all that I ask is that people don't take one look at me and think they know me, which I don't do to other people. If they get to know me and honestly don't like my personality, fine. There have been plenty of people who have, and I'm sure plently more who will. Not everyone is going to like me, and I'm not going to like everyone, that's just the way it is.
As far as not liking 'labels' that's nearly impossible. Labels are the way the human race communicates with each other. Language is just a series of different labels. What I hate and am against is stereotypes. Saying someone is a goth and then assuming you know everything about them is like saying someone is American and then assuming that they're overwieght and eat at McDonalds every day. It just stupid and doesn't make sense.
And as for me being more judgemental than I should be, I have to say I hate 'sheeple' of all subcultures and walks of life. I just despise anyone who can't think for themselves.
So the bottom line is yes, I am a goth, I label myself as such and I am proud to be part of the subculture. But if you think you can tell everything about who I am from that, you're dead wrong. Just look at the wide variety of personalities we have in this guild! And it's the same thing for everyone else in the world, be they prep, goth, emo, nerd, whatever. Labels don't take away our personalities, they just make it easier to communicate with one another.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:38 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:13 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:00 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:12 pm
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zz1000zz Isel What is so wrong with acting like a prep, or being a gangster, wannabe or not? Is there a problem with being a hick? Is there a problem with acting like the "emo kids"? Wannabe gansters are pathetic people latching onto a group to be "cool." They act tough because they are too afraid to be themselves. Hicks are ignorants fools. Bigoted idiots. Emo kids are whiney and self-centered idiots demanding attention for the most trivial matters. Yes there is a problem with being any of those.
So you're saying there's something wrong with choosing a path of life that a person feels comfortable with?
It does seem like you're throwing out generalizations left and right, regardless of the quality of the people I speak of. I could easily say there's something wrong with being a car salesman because car salesmen try to milk all the money they can get out of you- but that would be doing what you're doing, and casting an incorrectly-placed shadow over the entirety of car salesmen, despite the fact that I've met car salesmen who have great character.
So what if the wannabe gangster thinks it's cool to act tough? So what if the hick chooses to be close-minded? So what if the emo kid demands attention?
It's not bringing harm to anyone around them; the only reason you dislike these people is because you choose to. You let it bother you, and I can bet a fat kid's lunch money that somewhere in your subconscious, you made the decision to dislike these people because other people seem to dislike them too, and that little monkey in the back of your mind said you should voice this ill-influenced opinion.
Now tell me- had you not known the stereotypes of gansters, hicks, and emo kids, would you think there was something wrong with them inherently? |
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:12 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:21 pm
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zz1000zz CrimsonThanatos Those are the steriotypical ones. <.< No. A hick is an ignorant fool. A bigoted idiot. That is the definition of a hick. The descriptions i gave are not stereotypes, they are definitions of labels. (The emo one not so much.)
"Hick (also country hick or country bumpkin) is a derogatory term for a person from a rural area." |
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