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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:06 pm
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I completely agree that there has to be more to Snape and Dumbledore than we know. I don't believe for a second that Dumbledore trusted Snape because Snape went to him after Lily and James were killed and said he was sorry...I mean, Dumbledore's not stupid. Ok, he's trusting to a certain extent but I can't believe he is that trusting.
My personal belief is that Snape loved Lily and when she was murdered, that's what made him go to the good side. I don't think he would have minded James' death, but I don't think he wanted Lily to die. But what passed between him and Dumbledore, I don't know.
I do believe, though, that at the end, when Dumbledore said "Severus" and Snape's face screwed up with hate, that Dumbledore was begging to be killed and that Snape hated himself for doing it.
I really enjoy these arguments, I love having them with my Snape-hating friend.
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:59 am
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:00 pm
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:56 am
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:55 pm
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:16 pm
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:13 pm
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:59 pm
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Spoilt_lil_missy I completely agree that there has to be more to Snape and Dumbledore than we know. I don't believe for a second that Dumbledore trusted Snape because Snape went to him after Lily and James were killed and said he was sorry...I mean, Dumbledore's not stupid. Ok, he's trusting to a certain extent but I can't believe he is that trusting. My personal belief is that Snape loved Lily and when she was murdered, that's what made him go to the good side. I don't think he would have minded James' death, but I don't think he wanted Lily to die. But what passed between him and Dumbledore, I don't know. I do believe, though, that at the end, when Dumbledore said "Severus" and Snape's face screwed up with hate, that Dumbledore was begging to be killed and that Snape hated himself for doing it. I really enjoy these arguments, I love having them with my Snape-hating friend. My thoughts exactly
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:29 pm
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Oh! Most excellent! (& now, please forgive this rather long winded answer.)
I was rereading Book 6 the other day (make that present tense seeing as I am currently rereading it, but still...) and I came upon the following conversation between Bellatrix and Severus from "Spinner's End". Severus is currently defending his loyalities to the Dark Lord at this time so that Bellatrix would allow him a tad bit more trust.
USHBP, pg 31 "I am pleased to say, however, that Dumbledore is growing old. The duel with the Dark Lord last month shook him. He has since sustained a serious injury because his reactions are slower than they once were. But through all these years, he has never stopped trusting Severus Snape, and therein lies my great value to the Dark Lord."
We will later find out that Dumbledore's right hand died (foreshadowing anyone?) in destroying one of the Dark Lord's horacruxes (the Slytherin ring) and that Dumbledore trusts only Severus to cure his injuries accuried in these encounters, which says much his abilities in DADA, but yes...
If I were to name one person who has as knowledge of the Dark Arts (and defense there of) as Dumbledore and Voldemort, it would Severus. I would be highly surprised if he was not able to put two and two together (Voldemort's not dying and Dumbledore's hunt and destruction of small objects) and get horcrux, even if Dumbledore did not inform him of exactly what happened.
What Severus does not do is inform Bellatrix of how Dumbledore obtained said injury. This knowledge would be of the greatest importance to the Dark Lord, and yet Severus does not even hint at how it had happened to one of his most favorite pets.
...So, ergo, Severus is most definitely good.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 5:04 pm
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:08 am
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:08 pm
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JustWantYou2KnowWhoIAm We know with JKR, that things are never what they seem. We thought Scabbers was a rat, we thought Hagrid opened the chamber of secrets, we even thought - during book one that Hermione was just a stuffy know it all. Now, we have been proven wrong on every account I mentioned above. Obviously JKR wants us to think Snape is bad because he killed Dumbledore but, what if that was the plan all along? We know Dumbledore loves Harry in the same way that a Grandfather loves his Grandsone. He already told us that his love for Harry has gotten in the way in the past. I think Dumbledore and Snape both knew what would happen that night. In other words, Snape killed Dumbledore on Dumbledore's own orders. In killing Dumbledore, Lord Voldemort now knows that Snape is on his side. I think Lord Voldemort and the rest of his supporters were unsure about Snape. The perfect way for Snape to pretend to be on their side is for him to kill Dumbledore. It is a perfect plan isnt it? Harry must fight Voldemort alone. We know Dumbledore loved Harry too much all of us know that Dumbledore wouldnt have been able to let Harry fight alone. He knew the only way to stop himself would be to die and what better way than to have Snape do it, he could get back in with Voldemort and work as a double agent. Think about it everyone. Throught the entire book we have been asked to trust Dumbledore. The Dumbledore I know would do anything to help Harry - to the point of death it's self. Besides, is Dumbledore really gone? I am sure if Dumbledore has left more information for Harry. We already know that Dumbledore's portrate hangs in the headmaster's room. Will Dumbledore help Harry through the portrate? Only book seven will tell us. Thanks for reading my oppinions everyone! I love your theory. but it was told that voldemort trusted snape more than all of the others, and i dont think snape was PLANNING on giving the unbreakable oath...BUT J.k. rowling stated that there was a reason that dumbledore HAD to die and that it was necessary so...maybe
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:46 pm
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