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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:00 pm
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:09 pm
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:37 am
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:50 am
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:29 pm
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:37 am
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:08 pm
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:58 pm
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And I am a firmly entrenched non-relativist who sees not how that relates to the post before you or the initial post of this thread. surprised You've also become utterly unintelligible and therefore making meaningless statements in that you have said at a minimum one thing which is logically contradictory and therefore impossible: "it is universally true that no truth is universal." You've in fact actually run right into the problem other people have been talking about here -- a paradox, a statement which defeats itself, like saying "it is true that I am lying." You say it doesn't matter that in "some beliefs systems" (AKA the rules of how reality works that you just don't want to openly admit to) it is a pardox because to you all you have to do is say to yourself "paradox is a legitimate form of argument!" and therefore in your little world it is. You see, you've also committed the logical fallacy begging the question here. You basically have said that relativism works on the principle of subjective reality and reality is subjective because you as a realativist say so. You gave no real reason for anybody to believe it or "decide this into truth" beyond your saying so. You may be a "firmly entrenched relativist" now, but you weren't always. Before you were a relativist, you were like most fairly normally thinking people. This means you needed to believe you had actual logical reasons to believe relativism was true. So, do tell, what made you decide to go from reality based thinking to living all by your lonesome in candy land where you're always right and anything goes? You see, this is a fatal flaw in relativism -- you can't get there without going through the land of actual logic first. There must be at least semi-rational reasons for people who are not relativists (at least not yet) to do anything, including become a relativist. "Because it is fun and easy and I said so" have never been legitimate logical reasons to do anything, including especially have logic defeat itself. Relativism presupposes its own truth to be possible and circular reasoning won't convince anybody operating on logic of anything. So unless you can tell me some grand story of how and why you came to believe relativism that is not the reasons you gave in your previous post, I believe I am justified in assuming you were just some person who just didn't have the stamina to stand up to living rationally and out of fear and/or laziness decided to take up relativism because it meant anything you wanted to be true was automatically so and you'd never have to worry or think too hard or keep your facts straight again, it was all even less than an issue of "mind over matter" it was "all mind, ignore matter."
P.S., I'll tell you the same thing I've told other people who claim relativism: truth is a word that is driven from reality, to claim truth is relative is to claim reality is relative. If truth and therefore reality are really whatever you want them to be, I'd love to see you decide you can fly and see if gravity decided you could too. ![User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show. User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.](https://graphics.gaiaonline.com/images/s.gif)
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