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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:54 pm
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:40 pm
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:41 pm
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:13 pm
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Dr. Arcane Pagan imagery is found throughout the older cathedrals in Europe, so why not rosary beads?
Pagan imagery is found in the older cathedrals, though, because at the times that they were constructed, Christianity was in the process of establishing itself in the area. Because of that, the only craftsfolk available to build the cathedrals were naturally associated with the indigenous religions, and tended to weave their imagery into their work. I think that the pentagram connection within the rosary is more likely due to what Seraph mentioned about the five wounds, personally. Just about anything with five points- especially when that thing is something round like a necklace- can be connected to form either a pentagram or a pentagon, whether it was originally meant to be that way or not.
I think it's quite likely, however, that the Church has it's own metaphysical goals and methods. Magic is simply applied religion, after all, and old-school Catholicism is probably closer to Paganism than just about any other brand of Christianity... which is also ironic.^_^
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:21 pm
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:29 am
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:50 pm
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:18 pm
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I believe the pentagram, as an occult symbol, is usually traced back to Pythagorus. The ancient Egyptians also had a star symbol, but it was like a "stick figure" five pointed star rather than the geometric shape commonly used today- it was used to write words such as "wisdom," "teacher," "student," "blessed dead," "praise," and "morning." Most tombs also had their ceilings decorated with it, but now I'm wandering off into my own land.^_~ The five pointed star is very old.
Also, just as a trivia point, "pentagram" refers to the drawn symbol itself- as a geometrical shape and nothing more. "Pentacle" actually refers to a disk- usually made of clay, wood, stone, or metal- which is inscribed with the pentagram.^_^ Many Pagans try to use the two words interchangeably, because of the baggage often associated with the word "pentagram," but that is not proper usage of the terms.
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:14 pm
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:26 pm
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WebenBanu I believe the pentagram, as an occult symbol, is usually traced back to Pythagorus. The ancient Egyptians also had a star symbol, but it was like a "stick figure" five pointed star rather than the geometric shape commonly used today- it was used to write words such as "wisdom," "teacher," "student," "blessed dead," "praise," and "morning." Most tombs also had their ceilings decorated with it, but now I'm wandering off into my own land.^_~ The five pointed star is very old. Also, just as a trivia point, "pentagram" refers to the drawn symbol itself- as a geometrical shape and nothing more. "Pentacle" actually refers to a disk- usually made of clay, wood, stone, or metal- which is inscribed with the pentagram.^_^ Many Pagans try to use the two words interchangeably, because of the baggage often associated with the word "pentagram," but that is not proper usage of the terms. Oh? I believed that the pentacle meant inscibed in a circle, and pentagram, was simply the star
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:27 pm
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:30 am
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 8:33 am
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