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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:28 pm
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:59 pm
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Er, no.
Rei never "gives up her boyfriend." If you read the manga, there's a place in it where Rei makes (or remembers making; I can't remember which now) a vow of chastity to Princess Serenity. She doesn't like men. In the manga, she and Mamoru were never together. Nor was she dating any other man. The manga, since it came first, is canon in the strictest sense. It came from Naoko Takeuchi directly. While the anime is still canon, there are differences between it and the anime.
If you don't like Usagi, sweet, that's fine. Write a fanfiction about one of the others or something. But I don't quite see where you're coming from when you say she "gets everything" because she doesn't. Frankly, of all the senshi, I think she got stuck with the worst life.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:29 pm
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:10 pm
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ShadedGray Er, no. Rei never "gives up her boyfriend." If you read the manga, there's a place in it where Rei makes (or remembers making; I can't remember which now) a vow of chastity to Princess Serenity. She doesn't like men. In the manga, she and Mamoru were never together. Nor was she dating any other man. The manga, since it came first, is canon in the strictest sense. It came from Naoko Takeuchi directly. While the anime is still canon, there are differences between it and the anime. If you don't like Usagi, sweet, that's fine. Write a fanfiction about one of the others or something. But I don't quite see where you're coming from when you say she "gets everything" because she doesn't. Frankly, of all the senshi, I think she got stuck with the worst life.
Excuse you, miss.
She was talking about the anime. Not the manga. And yes. Rei did give up her boyfriend for Usagi because of their destiny and the way she felt for him.
If she wants to talk about the manga, then you can come and bash her. Unfortunately for you, she's not talking about the manga, and you were rude to Chibi for no reason.
Chibi was correct. In the anime, Rei has to give up the boy she's dating for Usagi.
And you didn't have to criticize her opinion, either. She simply said a lot of credit goes to Usagi, even after the sailors all risk their lives for her, because she's Sailor Moon/Princess Serenity. I mean, the series isn't called Sailor Mars, now is it? She's just saying that Usagi is given a lot of credit, and the scouts deserve as much as she gets. Chibi never said who had the worst life, destiny, etc. She was just talking about who is recognized the most, and that it kind of annoys her.
Plus, in the series you see several Newspaper articles on Sailor Moon. What about Mercury? Saturn? Jupiter? Pluto? Uranus? What about the rest of the scouts? No, they just talk about Sailor Moon.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:19 pm
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Wow. I didn't intend to be rude at all, so there's no need to take my head off. I understand she was talking about the anime, however, I was merely pointing out that in the more canonical manga, Rei didn't give up a boyfriend. But I never once attacked or bashed her. In my post, there was no direct attack against Chibi. I didn't rip on her in the least, nor did I criticize her opinion. I even said it's fine that she doesn't like Usagi. Granted, that might have seemed glib, but it wasn't meant to be.
To me, it doesn't matter that Sailor Moon is given more focus, just like I don't care that Sesshoumaru isn't in every episode of Inuyasha despite the fact that I think he should get more credit. I simply pointed out fact: Sailor Moon is the title character. If she wants to give another senshi more time in the limelight, she should write a fanfiction, and I mean that earnestly, not in the least bit contemptuously.
And if she feels in anyway personally attacked by what I said, she can tell me, and I'll apologize.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:24 pm
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:39 pm
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ShadedGray Wow. I didn't intend to be rude at all, so there's no need to take my head off. I understand she was talking about the anime, however, I was merely pointing out that in the more canonical manga, Rei didn't give up a boyfriend. But I never once attacked or bashed her. In my post, there was no direct attack against Chibi. I didn't rip on her in the least, nor did I criticize her opinion. I even said it's fine that she doesn't like Usagi. Granted, that might have seemed glib, but it wasn't meant to be. To me, it doesn't matter that Sailor Moon is given more focus, just like I don't care that Sesshoumaru isn't in every episode of Inuyasha despite the fact that I think he should get more credit. I simply pointed out fact: Sailor Moon is the title character. If she wants to give another senshi more time in the limelight, she should write a fanfiction, and I mean that earnestly, not in the least bit contemptuously. And if she feels in anyway personally attacked by what I said, she can tell me, and I'll apologize.
XDHon, I've been at her house all day. Thats why we've been taking turns online.
She was really upset when she was that post of yours. YES she did feel you were attacking her, I quote Chibi, "Why do these people have to bash me???", unquote.
And if you were 'merely pointing it out' you wouldnt have said "Er, no." to her opinion.
She was correct as it was
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:21 am
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:52 am
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:17 am
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@ kawaiibunny: I can't honestly remember where in the manga Rei said that. I think it was in the Supers books somewhere. And, yes. It was. "Act 36", Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon Volume 12. Late in the manga, members of the Dead Moon Circus harass Rei with a reflection of her young self, which mocks her for her friendships and her dream of being a priestess. The reflection tells her that the only way for her to be happy is to try her luck with numerous men until she ends up married to someone rich. Rei is able to defeat this illusion, and in the process gains her Sailor Crystal along with the memory that, long ago, she had in fact made a vow of chastity to Princess Serenity.
With the whole Rei and Mamoru thing: I was skipping through some of my old episodes yesterday to see if there was a part where Rei did outright say something along the lines of "I'm giving Mamoru up for Usagi." I didn't see anything like that. Once Usagi turned out to be the princess and Mamoru poofed with Beryl and company, his relationship with Rei seemed to just fade away. To go along with what Hime_Tsuki said, the episode involving Rei's grandfather becoming evil reveals she might have a thing for Chad/Yuuichirou in episode 30. Part of a summary reads: "Rei then kissed Yuuichirou, saying Yuuichirou was very strong and had a lot of courage. Usagi said that Rei must like Yuuichirou. Rei tried to say that she was just trying to be nice because Yuuichirou always got scolded by her grandfather."
You can find that summary at [ LINK ]
So, Rei leaving Mamoru seems more a natural progression than a giving up to me. But everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Maybe Rei was torn up inside, but it never seemed like it.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:30 am
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:29 am
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:17 pm
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:37 pm
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kawaiibunny3 just to point out-my manga related argument was meant for Shaded Gray, i knew you meant the anime neutral sorry well...yes i do think that the Sailor Senshi (the outer senshi especially) deserve atleast more credit. but the whole point and theme of Sailor Moon (and any setai show for that matter...) is based on teamwork and the idea that you cant get by without your friends, which is why moments like : Quote: When Bunny "runs out" of power, they come and give her their power...so doesn't that mean its just Bunny attacking, not actually using her strength? this appear. The viewer is meant to see themselves as Usagi and learn through her growth throughout the series and learn from it (you can do this w/ any of the senshi, but Usagi in particular) ((please dont feel that I'm attacking you or anything Wicked Chibiusa, I'm just trying to post my opinions and have a nice active conversation about sailor moon, which is why i like talking to Sailor Moon fans in the 1st place))
Oh don't worry about it I wasn't really talking to you, I knew you were having a discussion with ShadedGrey! It was to other people that bashed me by agreeing with his statement...I know that your not bashing me at all and I'm not mad at you.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:36 pm
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Wicked Chibiusa Oh don't worry about it I wasn't really talking to you, I knew you were having a discussion with ShadedGrey! It was to other people that bashed me by agreeing with his statement...I know that your not bashing me at all and I'm not mad at you.
Can I just point out that I'm a girl, not a guy? sweatdrop
And I really think it's unfair of you to say that people are bashing you because they agreed with me. If you want to be mad at me for rather misinterpreting your first post, you're more than welcome to be, but don't assume I'm bashing you because I disagree with you.
The fact that you dislike Usagi doesn't bother me. I simply disagree with your reasoning and the fact that Rei left Mamoru because of Usagi.
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